# Islam cannot coexist with a peaceful world. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 28, 2011, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000 "2011-04-28T05:54:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bibliovore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Bibliovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bibliovore)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/61 "2011-04-28T15:51:53Z")
Hah! Well I’m actually all about the killin’ and terrorizin’ in the name of imposing my religion on everyone else, and definitely not about same-sex S&M domination. Think semtex and AKs rather than restraints and KY. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/62 "2011-04-28T15:57:38Z")
> [@Bibliovore](#): > > Now that I think about it, “Religion of Peace” is actually kinda catchy. I may have that put on a t-shirt in a funky font, then wear it as I subjugate some unbelievers and generally get all up in their business. Something like: > [@](#): > > Islam: The Religion of Peace > > And you convert in pieces ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/63 "2011-04-28T15:57:43Z")
Personally, I think we should be wary of well-groomed Ay-rabs and Moselems (in a general, non-specific way). If they didn’t have anything to hide, why would they shave off their wild fanatic’s beard, huh ? If they didn’t want to murder us all in our sleep, why would they try and hide their AK stockpiles so thoroughly, sometimes even going so far as _not having any_ ? It’s all very fishy. ---
**Author:** ![Bibliovore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Bibliovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bibliovore)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/64 "2011-04-28T16:00:14Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Something like: Or "CONVERT! Or we’ll convert you into itty-bitty pieces! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/65 "2011-04-28T16:01:02Z")
> [@Bibliovore](#): > > You just made me laugh out loud at my desk. And now I have a hankering for BBQ beef ribs, dammit! Oh, and apparently the waitress thought I was gay because I was “well-groomed”. :dubious: 😕 Nowadays the term is “clean and articulate”. ---
**Author:** ![Bibliovore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Bibliovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bibliovore)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/66 "2011-04-28T16:06:53Z")
Dammit, there’s just no winning is there? Anyway I think we’ve safely answered the OP. Muslims are certainly capable of coexisting with a peaceful world, unless you piss me off before I’ve had my coffee, or unless you look at me funny, or unless I just can’t be bothered to restrain my natural urge to butcher the innocent. Glad we got that straight. ---
**Author:** ![Sablicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sablicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sablicious)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/67 "2011-04-28T16:30:12Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > What really sucks about these threads - apart from the blind intolerance - is the yawning lack of logic in their premises. Meeting abject intolerance head-on with tolerance; that’s the suggestion? Hmmm… Turning the other cheek is one thing; but something tells me this kind of conciliatory approach might not work as well when there’s C4 strapped to the torso of whoever’s doing the bitch-slapping! > [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > There are a couple of Muslims in my office. They haven’t detonated even once. Then, to the letter of Islamic scripture, they are not real Muslims and are likely not too many rungs above ‘lowly’ infidels when push comes to lapidation. > [@Gyrate](#): > > The daughter is two years old now, so naturally she is incapable of co-existing with a peaceful house. Yes. That’s when the inculcation of intolerance starts and, indeed, why it’s nigh impossible to rectify the ‘brain damage’ in later life. ## Like I read somewhere, ‘_Religion is like your genitles: keep it to yourself and don’t shove it down your child’s throat!_’ To disabuse the obtuse: Islam is only a ‘religion of peace’ when it is the only belief system. Until all ‘opposition’ to Islam is removed, true Islam can never be at peace. This is how the docrtine is structured in order to preserve and promote itself for perpetuity – to endeavor to make it the _only_ ‘choice’. World wide Sharia law is the only scenario whih in Islam could exist in something approaching peace. Those in an Islamist’s sights is a list long and varied, but do include ‘the infidels’, the misguided ones who espouse those other ‘fake’ fictitious beliefs _and_ the likes of moderate Muslims, like the hapless Ahmadiyah here. Islam loosely translates to ‘submission’. It is a phallocentric belief system created by men for the primary benefit of men. To this day, the doctrine advocates dubious ‘patimes’ such polygomy, paedophilia, spousal abuse, limb amputation for venial crimes, lapadation, decrees of war for arbitrary interpretations of blasphemy etcetera. It is a religion that places an inordinate, almost Judaistic level of emphasis upon the indoctrination of its children; knowing full well that its intolerant precepts fly directly in the face of human nature and thus must be ingrained at a formative age to take full effect – a practice of mental abuse of the vulnerable that’s synonymous with extreme groups and sects. The only difference in Islam’s case, of course, is it’s a scarosanct ‘religion’; inherently beyond reproach, in spite of its many patently base machinatians. Do not mistake true Islam for what you see when you pass a pretty Muslim woman wearing a kerchief on the street or hear a Muslim man promulgate the melodic ‘call to prayer’ a few times per diem – this is not Islam but merely a ‘cherry picked’ version of its niceties. Islam is what you see in the link I provided in the OP. So, does this archaic religion with sub-animalistic proclivities look to you that it can commune with the ideas of a forward-thinking, evolutionary society? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/68 "2011-04-28T16:39:06Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > There are a couple of Muslims in my office. They haven’t detonated even once. Ah, so they are sleeper agents. > [@Sablicious](#): > > Like I read somewhere, '_Religion is like your genitles_ Snort. ‘We will destroy your decadent Western spell check programs, inshallah!’ ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/69 "2011-04-28T16:41:30Z")
> [@Sablicious](#): > > So, does this archaic religion with sub-animalistic proclivities look to you that it can commune with the ideas of a forward-thinking, evolutionary society? :dubious: As opposed to Christianity? Which has its own long history of conversion by the sword, and a longstanding fondness for the idea of the end of the world? I live on a _continent_ that was cleared of the original inhabitants by those same Christians, the original inhabitants exterminated or forced onto small reservations by people who praised Jesus while they did it. There’s nothing any more innately peaceful about Christianity than about Islam. There’s nothing any more innately archaic or primitive about it than any other religion; it’s _all_ stupid. And “sub-animalistic”? What, did the wildlife all convert to dialectical materialism or something when I wasn’t looking? ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/70 "2011-04-28T17:04:56Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > There are a couple of Muslims in my office. They haven’t detonated even once. > [@Sablicious](#): > > Then, to the letter of Islamic scripture, they are not real Muslims and are likely not too many rungs above ‘lowly’ infidels when push comes to lapidation. You just can’t make up this kind of comedy gold. The good news is that there are no living real Muslims anymore, since the definition of real Muslim now requires one to have exploded, so we’re all safe, Muslims don’t exist anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/71 "2011-04-28T17:07:32Z")
Nor Scotsmen. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/72 "2011-04-28T17:08:25Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > You just can’t make up this kind of comedy gold. The good news is that there are no living real Muslims anymore, since the definition of real Muslim now requires one to have exploded, so we’re all safe, Muslims don’t exist anymore. Well, unless due to being such killing machines they are made of liquid metal and flow back together after exploding. Termislaminators! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/73 "2011-04-28T17:13:28Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And “sub-animalistic”? What, did the wildlife all convert to dialectical materialism or something when I wasn’t looking? I think he means Muslims are protozoa. That’s why there’s so many of them, see ? Parthenogenesis. That’s the dirty little secret of Islam. That’s also why they all look alike to him. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/74 "2011-04-28T17:25:18Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Islam has a PR issue. This is evident in their slogan ‘the religion of peace’, for if it was truly such a religion then it would not need to be stated. Sure there are peaceful Muslims, but perhaps because they try to fit the ‘God desire’ of their hearts for peace into their religious upbringings, which will be for a time, but never works in the end. These people of God will break free of all religion, but will serve God in their religion till that time, as Jesus said you have to Love God with everything you have, and you don’t put new wine into old wine sacks. It’s not so much a PR issue, as it’s that the Muslims who are running the ads and doing the marketing are the ones we see doing the crazy stuff. While there are surely millions of moderate Muslims out there, for whatever reason we don’t see them decrying or protesting the acts of the militants. So we get this image that Islam = bearded weirdo chanting “Death to America”, or worse. Note: This doesn’t mean that Christianity is any different. Unfortunately you don’t see the Catholics, Methodists, Episcopalians, Lutherans or Presbyterians speaking out against the ignorance and misinformation of the Evangelicals, Fundamentalists, Baptists and Pentecostals, even though the vast majority of American Christians are members or affiliated with the first 5, not the second 4. I’ve heard otherwise normal people here in the US equate ‘Christians’ with "fundamentalist wacko’ too many times to assume that we’re not doing the exact same thing with Islam. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/75 "2011-04-28T17:40:39Z")
> [@bump](#): > > It’s not so much a PR issue, as it’s that the Muslims who are running the ads and doing the marketing are the ones we see doing the crazy stuff. While there are surely millions of moderate Muslims out there, for whatever reason we don’t see them decrying or protesting the acts of the militants. So we get this image that Islam = bearded weirdo chanting “Death to America”, or worse. For what it’s worth, while it is true that one possible translation of the world “Islam” is “peace” (though I think it’s more in the “peace of mind” sense) I don’t think I recall hearing or reading an honest to Allah Muslim ever doing the whole “Religion of Peace” bit when pushing his chosen mytharc. It seems to be mostly an anti- rallying cry cum ongoing “joke”, probably because they’re tickled by the facile “HA! Religion of peace with suicide bombers yeah sure amirite guys fuckyeah” rhetoric. And here I’m using the word “rhetoric” in its loosest possible acception, obviously. They’re making noise with their mouths, really, that’s the kindest thing that can be said. As for moderates not publicly decrying the actions of terrorists, why the fuck should they ? I’ve been raised Lutheran (even got my Huguenot Cross in a drawer somewhere) yet I somehow don’t feel the need to publicly disown the actions of American Protestant fanatics who go and shoot abortion doctors or set up Jesus Camps. That’s because _those are not my ideas and I have no part in them whatsoever_. ETA: grmmbl, should have read the end of your post before lashing out, shouldn’t I ? _sheepish grin_ Sowwyyy. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/76 "2011-04-28T19:11:48Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Only in your imagination, of course. > > Factually: a number of people in one city in one nation staged a demonstration against the idiot Florida pastor. The demonstrators were joined by armed members of the Taliban who specifically set out to attack foreigners, killing seven of them. The other thirteen people who died that day were a mix of security guards and protestors, (or attacking Taliban), who were killed by the security guards. > > In other words, a band of terrorists joined a demonstration and used it as a cover to launch a terrorist attack that resulted in 20, (not “dozens of”), deaths. One may consider the protest, itself, to be an overreaction to the nonsense of one individual, but describing that as “an entire nation . . . went apeshit” is pretty much intellectually placing oneself alongside the overreacting demonstrators, (not the terrorists), and chanting the same sort of xenophobic nonsense in which the larger group engaged. Factually it’s at a minimum Kabul, Kandahar, and Mazar-i-Sharif. It wasn’t a single demonstration but many demonstrations spanning at least 4 days with protesters holding signs that say “death to America”. Next time you accuse someone of imagining facts you should research the material like I did. At the very least you owe me an apology. The xenophobia belongs to those who went apeshit and murdered foreigners who had nothing to do with Reverend jones. That the walking definition of both xenophobia and the term “apeshit”. If you don’t like the fact that there are a never ending number of these threads it’s because there are a never ending number of senseless murders by radical Muslims. It is done by a minority of Muslims and it is directly related to Mohammad and his vision on how to deal with blasphemy. It is clearly a function of the religion. The fact that the majority of Muslims choose to act civil does not negate the underlying cause of the behavior. It is not limited to the Middle East any more than fundamentalist Muslims are limited to the Middle East. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/77 "2011-04-28T19:22:47Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It is done by a minority of Muslims and it is directly related to Mohammad and his vision on how to deal with blasphemy. It is clearly a function of the religion. The fact that the majority of Muslims choose to act civil does not negate the underlying cause of the behavior. It is not limited to the Middle East any more than fundamentalist Muslims are limited to the Middle East. :rolleyes: Please. Islam isn’t any more intrinsically intolerant than Christianity. The difference is, when some Christians beat a gay guy to death because God hates gays, you aren’t going to come on here and post about how that proves that the hatred of gays is an intrinsic part of Christianity because the holy book of Christianity speaks against them, even though it _does_. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/78 "2011-04-28T19:32:29Z")
> [@Bibliovore](#): > > Dammit, there’s just no winning is there? > > Anyway I think we’ve safely answered the OP. Muslims are certainly capable of coexisting with a peaceful world, unless you piss me off before I’ve had my coffee, or unless you look at me funny, or unless I just can’t be bothered to restrain my natural urge to butcher the innocent. > > Glad we got that straight. Actually no. It’s not you who we have to fear. You’re puppys and kittens with a perfectly kept lawn. It’s your fellow Muslim who may disagree with your version of Islam that YOU have to fear. Which would be the point of the op’s first post. If Muslims are so wrapped up in their own little killing-fest of righteousness, where do the rest of us stand? We stand in line at the airport waiting to be groped by TSA agents. Interesting name tag you’re using. Seems kinda blasphemous to describe yourself as one who eats Bibles.😉 ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/79 "2011-04-28T19:46:30Z")
Islam can not exist in a peaceful world. Where is this peaceful world? We are in 3 wars now. There is a mess going on in th middle east. We fight like feral animals. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/80 "2011-04-28T19:46:36Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > :rolleyes: Please. Islam isn’t any more intrinsically intolerant than Christianity. The difference is, when some Christians beat a gay guy to death because God hates gays, you aren’t going to come on here and post about how that proves that the hatred of gays is an intrinsic part of Christianity because the holy book of Christianity speaks against them, even though it _does_. There are more Christians then Muslims in the world. Given that there are people like Fred Phelps who thinks his god hates gay people you should be able to cite the thousands of incidence of gay people murdered by his lot. It must be a staggering number. BTW, I’ll start posting state sponsored capital murders of gay people by Islamic states in response. pssst, start with Hitler because he was a Christian and he stuck all kinds of people in the oven. Just remember you need to show it was a religiously based murder. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000.md?page=5)