# Islam, the religion of peace... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 21, 2002, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055 "2002-11-21T23:52:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2002, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/141 "2002-11-24T23:56:20Z")
Kalt, are you saying that Christians as a group aren’t doing any wrong in the world now? Ever heard of a place called Bosnia? Can any one tell Kalt here of more places in the world RIGHT NOW Christians are causing trouble? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/142 "2002-11-25T00:32:02Z")
Roger that x-ray: [Lord’s resistance Army](http://www.hrw.org/press97/sept/uganda.htm) And for the irony loving out there: [George Habash](http://www.palestineremembered.com/al-Ramla/al-Lydd/Story173.html), Greek Orthodox member of the PLO. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/143 "2002-11-25T02:01:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Azael \* > […]He {God} is still around. Got any objective, verifiable, scientific proof of that? ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/144 "2002-11-25T02:29:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > \*\*Egypt is a secular authoritarian state, not an Islamist state. So there is still no support for the claim that anti-Israeli programs that are _tolerated_ by the government are the equivalent of programs _produced_ by the government. (And this is still way off the track for this thread, since Egypt is not an Islamist state and its fights with Israel (however they are supported in the media) are political, not based in religion.) \*\* Now you’re just nitpicking over terms, vis a vis “tolerated” by the government vs. “produced” by the government. It doesn’t matter who “produced” the program, since only the authoriitarian government controls what is actually showed on tv. BTW, what would you say if FoxNews aired the “Protocols” this weekend? ---
**Author:** ![Azael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@Azael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azael)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/145 "2002-11-25T02:37:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Got any objective, verifiable, scientific proof of that? \*\* Um ya, just read my peer-reviewed paper confirming the existence of God… I was speaking in the sense that religion’s grip on the general populace hasn’t seemed to have faltered. Many people still believe in God and probably will for the foreseeable future. Religion seems to be hard-hired into the human consciousness, science and logic require a little more work. ---
**Author:** ![Kalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Kalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/146 "2002-11-25T02:44:58Z")
We’re never going to win this “war on terrorism” if we’re too politically correct to aknowledge who the enemy is. It’s dark-skinned, bearded muslim men. And sorry, I don’t mean to sound sexist, but that’s just the way it is. Step one in the “war on terror” is recognizing this. Step two is getting rid of the enemy. And don’t tell me “timothy mcveigh doesn’t fit that profile.” Trust me, one of these days we’ll find out that it was dark-skinned, muslim men who somehow convinced Timmy Mac to blow up the building in OK City. That’s probably a confirmed fact within certain governmental circuits, they just don’t want to release that information to “inflame” the mooslims. ---
**Author:** ![Kalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Kalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/147 "2002-11-25T02:48:26Z")
just a side note. Do you hate “NAMBLA”? I do… even though not “every” member of NAMBLA is a pedophile child rapist. How is islam any different from nambla? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/148 "2002-11-25T02:51:40Z")
> [@](#): > > BTW, what would you say if FoxNews aired the “Protocols” this weekend? Well, if any news organization in the U.S. would do that, it would be Fox. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/149 "2002-11-25T03:03:29Z")
“Dark-skinned”? :rolleyes: [Ahmed Alnami](http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/ua93/alnamiah.jpg), one of the hijackers on [United Airlines Flight 93](http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/091401hj.htm). Could be in a boy-band (except for having incinerated himself and all). I guess he looks vaguely Latino, in a very European sort of way. And have we forgotten [John Walker Lindh](http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1775000/images/_1779455_lindh_14_150ap.jpg)? Not only is the “dark-skinned” bit racist, it’s _ **tactically stupid** _. If we assume that all Islamic terrorists are “dark-skinned”, I guarantee that’s an assumption that will turn around and bite us, _hard_. Anybody can convert to Islam, of any “race”, and furthermore the skin colors and physical types found in traditionally Muslim areas are all over the map–radicalized Bosnians or Chechens, Pakistanis, North Africans, other Africans, Malays, the list goes on; and of course “Arabs” are a hugely heterogeneous group in American “racial” terms. And if we start looking exclusively at “dark-skinned” suspects, Al-Qaida are damned well cunning enough to send in Western converts from Southern California or England, or light-skinned Arabs who’ve dyed their hair blond. “Dark-skinned.” :smack: I can only hope that the government isn’t making any such nonsensical assumptions about the skin tone of potential terrorist attackers. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Font\_of\_all\_Wisdom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e8c25b/32.png) [@The\_Font\_of\_all\_Wisdom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Font_of_all_Wisdom)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/150 "2002-11-25T03:06:30Z")
As a Roman Catholic I am used to hearing about the poor treatment of women by the hierarchy of my faith. Compare to the Islam. 1. Women saints and veneration of the Blessed Mother 2. Holy orders headed by women. Them: 1. Stone to death rape victims 2. Female circumcision 3. Only men can file for divorce 4. Men can pay a sinless visit prostitutes in Iran Islam certainly is about violence to women. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/151 "2002-11-25T03:07:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kalt \* > just a side note. Do you hate “NAMBLA”? I do… even though not “every” member of NAMBLA is a pedophile child rapist. > > How is islam any different from nambla? Your position is more akin to the bigots who equate all gays with child molesters (and claim, by analogy, that gays who aren’t pedophiles and have no desire to be child molesters aren’t “true” homosexuals). ---
**Author:** ![Efrem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@Efrem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Efrem)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/152 "2002-11-25T03:10:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kalt \* > We’re never going to win this “war on terrorism” if we’re too politically correct to **aknowledge who the enemy is. It’s dark-skinned, bearded muslim men.** And sorry, I don’t mean to sound sexist, but that’s just the way it is. Step one in the “war on terror” is recognizing this. **Step two is getting rid of the enemy.** And don’t tell me “timothy mcveigh doesn’t fit that profile.” Trust me, one of these days we’ll find out that it was dark-skinned, muslim men who somehow convinced Timmy Mac to blow up the building in OK City. That’s probably a confirmed fact within certain governmental circuits, they just don’t want to release that information to “inflame” the mooslims. I am confused. Is there a rule against hate speech in the SDMB? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Font\_of\_all\_Wisdom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e8c25b/32.png) [@The\_Font\_of\_all\_Wisdom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Font_of_all_Wisdom)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/153 "2002-11-25T03:12:08Z")
As a Roman Catholic I am used to hearing about the poor treatment of women by the hierarchy of my faith. Compare to the Islam. 1. Women saints and veneration of the Blessed Mother 2. Holy orders headed by women. Them: 1. Stone to death rape victims 2. Female circumcision 3. Only men can file for divorce 4. Men can pay a sinless visit prostitutes in Iran Islam certainly is about violence to women. ---
**Author:** ![Efrem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@Efrem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Efrem)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/154 "2002-11-25T03:18:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Font of all Wisdom \* > \*\*As a Roman Catholic I am used to hearing about the poor treatment of women by the hierarchy of my faith. Compare to the Islam. > > 1. Women saints and veneration of the Blessed Mother > 2. Holy orders headed by women. > > Them: > > 1. Stone to death rape victims > 2. Female circumcision > 3. Only men can file for divorce > 4. Men can pay a sinless visit prostitutes in Iran > > Islam certainly is about violence to women. \*\* Christians: 1. Exicutes (beheads, stone, burn, or whatever) women for being “witches” (even goes on today). 2. Female circumcision 3. Mass wave of Preists who molest children (Not just the RCC). 4. Impiment child salvary (Sex slaves or whatever). 5. Etc. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/155 "2002-11-25T03:20:11Z")
> [@](#): > > …bearded… Can’t believe I missed that one. Hell, my dad has a beard. Mohammed Atta, the very [face of 9/11](http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa11/attamoha.jpg): no beard. (And not really very dark-skinned either. Furthermore, in real life, I doubt he actually looked like Satan himself; that was some official I.D. photo. In real life, you probably wouldn’t have looked at him twice.) From [this page](http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/penttbomb.htm), you can link to photos of all 19 of the September 11 hijackers. There are maybe five mustaches among them; one really scraggly goatee, another slightly less peach-fuzzy one; _most_ of them were clean-shaven, and **none** of them had a full, flowing beard. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/156 "2002-11-25T03:20:36Z")
> [@](#): > > I am confused. Is there a rule against hate speech in the SDMB? There is certainly a rule against being a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Font\_of\_all\_Wisdom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e8c25b/32.png) [@The\_Font\_of\_all\_Wisdom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Font_of_all_Wisdom)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/157 "2002-11-25T03:37:19Z")
Please show me a burning of a witch in the last 300 years. Molester Priest’s are not sanctioned or encourged by the church. Female circumcision is unknow in modern christanity. Where did you come up with the sex slave crap. That is common in and accepted in islam but nowhere supported by chrisitans. I’m not a thumper. You compare ancient christianity to modern islam (on some points). The molester priests are a blot on Catholism that irks all good Catholics. I don’t drop money in the basket for it to go to settlements based on past church cover ups. Of course in Islam child rape is allowed, if the child reports it they face death. We can openly discuss the failures of our leaders. In Islam that would be a great way to get flogged or worse. By the way, gay bashing ministers that have a church whose congration is entierly made up of thier own families don’t count as christians. ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/158 "2002-11-25T03:37:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Efrem \* > \*\*I am confused. Is there a rule against hate speech in the SDMB? \*\* I am also confused. I was under the impression that there definitely was such a rule. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/159 "2002-11-25T03:47:57Z")
> [@](#): > > By the way, gay bashing ministers that have a church whose congration is entierly made up of thier own families don’t count as christians. Well, I agree no [_true_ Scotsman](http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#scots) would drink anything other than single-malt Scotch with his haggis, but we must concede that there _are_ people who were born and live in Edinburgh and whose ancestors were Celts who immigrated from Ireland in the 5th Century C.E. who don’t even _like_ haggis. ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2002, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055/160 "2002-11-25T03:49:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Font of all Wisdom \* > \*\*By the way, gay bashing ministers that have a church whose congration is entierly made up of thier own families don’t count as christians. \*\* I am absolutely speechless. This reasoning only works one way, of course, right? A member of a religion you don’t like couldn’t say, for instance, “People who commit terrorism don’t count as Muslims” because that would be fallacious, right? This is such a waste of time. **Kalt** , **The Font of all Wisdom** , why don’t you just say what you mean, that we should just have the mother of all wars with the Islamic world and whoever’s left standing at the end gets to claim they were right all along? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-the-religion-of-peace/138055.md?page=9)