# Islam would be crushed in a war against the west **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 12, 2016, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916 "2016-01-12T10:52:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/61 "2016-01-12T19:19:41Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Since Islamists are technically human, and even if Islam were to conquer the entire world, then you are correct that Islam isn’t a threat to the human race, because even if every non-Islamic person on earth were to disappear, then there would still be Islamists left on the planet who technically qualify as human. > > However, I do believe that it is more correct to say that Islam is an existential threat to the civilized world. Holy shit. Take out “Islamists” and insert “Jew”-remind you of anything? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/62 "2016-01-12T19:20:44Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I do believe that a clash of cultures is currently taking place, and I do believe that the clash will only intensify in the future, as more representatives for Islam mass migrate around the world, especially to European countries. There is an inherent contradiction in your position. If radical Islam is powerful enough to pose an existential threat to the liberal democracies, it’s too powerful to be crushed in a decade. Of course, radical Islam is not that powerful. It can only threaten terrorism and guerrilla war in weak countries. It doesn’t have the manpower or resources to field an army that can take and hold the territory of even one of the smaller industrial powers. The idea that it poses a serious threat to Russia/China/America is laughable. The “threat” of radical Islam is merely a useful tool to distract the masses from the environmental and economic exploitation that is the real existential threat to the long-term survival of liberal democracy. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/63 "2016-01-12T19:20:56Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I do believe that a clash of cultures is currently taking place, and I do believe that the clash will only intensify in the future, as more representatives for Islam mass migrate around the world, especially to European countries. Remember when it was European white cultures representative of Christianity that were migrating around world? Good times… ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/64 "2016-01-12T19:22:34Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > However, I do believe that it is more correct to say that Islam is an existential threat to the civilized world. So “Islam” is inherently uncivilized, is what you’re saying. > [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I have survived 8 years of Obama, so I have nothing to fear, as few things could be worse. Oh, please. Share your horror stories of the last 8 years with us. Tell us of how you have been so cruelly forced to receive fair and affordable health insurance and accept gays and lesbians as human beings. This should be good. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/65 "2016-01-12T19:22:42Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Holy shit. > Take out “Islamists” and insert “Jew”-remind you of anything? Hey, now… let’s not start that shit again. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/66 "2016-01-12T19:24:43Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The OP proposes that Islam - a religion with nearly two billion followers - will be “defeated” within ten years and there will be so few Muslims left that the world will forget it ever existed. > > Do you suppose he’s suggesting that they’ll all become secular humanists overnight? Many Muslims are Muslim in name only kept in the faith due to pressure from both immediate and extended family. This also happens in some Christian cults. I think that when push comes to shove many of those Muslims will leave Islam Plus many Muslims that have a strong faith in Allah but little in Islam. (I have a strong faith in God but not in the church) ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/67 "2016-01-12T19:25:18Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I have survived 8 years of Obama, so I have nothing to fear, as few things could be worse. Cutting unemployment nearly by half, growing national wealth by nearly a trillion dollars, and having the lowest number of uninsured Americans ever must have been a real drain on you. I’m sorry for what you have been through. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/68 "2016-01-12T19:25:31Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > True enough. I’m afraid that many Americans salivate at the thought of genocide against Muslims. If Trump was elected, would he pursue a Final Solution? I wouldn’t bet against it. It may not have been clear in the OP, but no, I do not believe that Trump would be the person who would do what you suggest. I do believe that Trump would have no problems with mass bombing ISIS for example and taking them out completely, because he has stated numerous times that he will. There will obviously be a few casualties here and there no doubt, but it will be a non-issue and not very significant in the big picture of things. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/69 "2016-01-12T19:27:22Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > Many Muslims are Muslim in name only kept in the faith due to pressure from both immediate and extended family. This also happens in some Christian cults. I think that when push comes to shove many of those Muslims will leave Islam Plus many Muslims that have a strong faith in Allah but little in Islam. (I have a strong faith in God but not in the church) cool story bro ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/70 "2016-01-12T19:27:46Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I do believe that Trump would have no problems with mass bombing ISIS for example and taking them out completely, because he has stated numerous times that he will. There will obviously be a few casualties here and there no doubt, but it will be a non-issue and not very significant in the big picture of things. A few. No doubt. Where, “a few” is counted in the 10s of the thousands. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/71 "2016-01-12T19:30:46Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Since Islamists are technically human, and even if Islam were to conquer the entire world, then you are correct that Islam isn’t a threat to the human race, because even if every non-Islamic person on earth were to disappear, then there would still be Islamists left on the planet who technically qualify as human. > > However, I do believe that it is more correct to say that Islam is an existential threat to the civilized world. Er…do you realize that you just said that all Muslims are Islamists? ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/72 "2016-01-12T19:31:05Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So “Islam” is inherently uncivilized, is what you’re saying. I do not view the Islamic world as very civilized, no. And I would not want to live in such a world, and I wouldn’t want my family to live in such a world either. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/73 "2016-01-12T19:32:39Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > Plus many Muslims that have a strong faith in Allah but little in Islam. (I have a strong faith in God but not in the church) “Islam” isn’t really comparable to “the church” as a concept. You’re essentially saying “Someone who has a strong faith in God but little in worshipping God”. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/74 "2016-01-12T19:33:30Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > A few. No doubt. Where, “a few” is counted in the 10s of the thousands. Those are acceptable figures in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/75 "2016-01-12T19:34:33Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I do not view the Islamic world as very civilized, no. > > And I would not want to live in such a world, and I wouldn’t want my family to live in such a world either. You clearly need to go to Istanbul. It’s a lovely place. You should be so lucky to spend your days drinking raki while watching ships go up and down the Bosphorus. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/76 "2016-01-12T19:35:03Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I do believe that Trump would have no problems with mass bombing ISIS for example and taking them out completely, because he has stated numerous times that he will. Ok, so we carpet bomb Raqqa and a few other cities in Iraq / Syria and completely flatten them to rubble. Then what? You killed a bunch of ISIS militants but the rest of them fled before the bombings and are now blended in to remaining cities civilian populations in surrounding areas. Also they’re popping up in Libya now as well. So after you’ve “figured out whats going on”, carpet bombing a few cities doesn’t work, theres still militants and they’re still attacking the governments of Iraq and Syria. Then what do you do? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/77 "2016-01-12T19:37:11Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I do not view the Islamic world as very civilized, no. Do you _know_ any Muslim people? Are any of your friends or coworkers Muslim? Have you ever had even a brief interpersonal interaction with a Muslim person? Or are you just basing this “Muslims are uncivilized” idea on some imaginary boogeyman of what you _assume_ Muslims must be like? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/78 "2016-01-12T19:38:20Z")
Masquerade. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/79 "2016-01-12T19:40:14Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Those are acceptable figures in my opinion. Just out of curiosity, how many dead Muslims would be too many, in your view? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/80 "2016-01-12T19:43:48Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Masquerade. Are you suggesting our new friend Blinky is casting baited lines off the back of a slow moving boat? 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916.md?page=5)