# Islam would be crushed in a war against the west **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 12, 2016, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916 "2016-01-12T10:52:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/81 "2016-01-12T19:46:19Z")
Oh forbid the suggestion… ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/82 "2016-01-12T19:46:26Z")
All this talk of killing Muslims is unsettling. Can we start with baby steps? Since when did glaring angrily at Muslims in American grocery stores cease to be an effective strategy against ISIS? ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/83 "2016-01-12T19:48:20Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Would you like to place a wager on that? If you are looking to make a wager, then there are numerous sites on the internet that would gladly take your money and you would be able to place your bet. I am not the gambling type myself, but I do believe that Trump’s odds were around 3.5 when I read about them a few days ago. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/84 "2016-01-12T19:52:14Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I am not the gambling type myself, but I do believe that Trump’s odds were around 3.5 when I read about them a few days ago. Stormfront is a notoriously unreliable source of information. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/85 "2016-01-12T19:56:40Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > You clearly need to go to Istanbul. It’s a lovely place. You should be so lucky to spend your days drinking raki while watching ships go up and down the Bosphorus. Done that but prefer the smaller towns ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/86 "2016-01-12T20:00:33Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Stormfront is a notoriously unreliable source of information. Stormfront is probably not too fond of my kind, to put it mildly, and smearing people with racist labels is not a very effective tool anymore. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/87 "2016-01-12T20:01:11Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I believe that Trump will win both the Republican nomination and the Presidential race by a significant margin. Trump will indeed enact various proposals such as completely shutting down Islamic immigration and visitors into the USA for an unspecified amount of time. > > USA’s leadership in the world, with Trump as President will cause a ripple effect around the world that has already begun, with the rise of parties in Europe that are actually concerned about their country and the well being of their citizens. This is happening with or without Trump, but the effect will only be greater and quicker after Trump wins. > > The civilized world will soon reach it’s breaking point and mass conflicts will begin breaking out across Europe. Israel VS Palestine will look like kid’s play in comparison to the size and scope of the European conflicts. There might even be civil war in a few different European countries, with the middle-right united against the left and Islamic terrorists on the opposing side. > > There will be increasing restrictions on Islamic immigration world wide and also increasing restrictions on Mosques in various countries. The world will be sending a message that Islam is not welcome in their countries, as events are only spiralling further out of control. > > I believe that Islam will be greatly diminished in Western, civilized countries within the next decade or so. Eventually the world will be split and segregated, with Islamic countries on one side VS everybody else on the planet. > > The Islamic world has no chance, and if a real war ever broke out between the West VS all of Islam, then the entirety of Islam would be defeated in less than a decade, and I believe that the religion would practically be forgotten in the future, as there would be so few practitioners of it left, and then the rest of the world could just get on with their normal business. This sounds like a bad sequel to the Turner Diaries. Maybe post your fan fiction about a world war in Mundane Pointless Stuff I Must Share? ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/88 "2016-01-12T20:05:07Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Stormfront is a notoriously unreliable source of information. If you are talking of the Stormfront I know it is nothing but a maggot ridden neo-Nazi website ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/89 "2016-01-12T20:05:32Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Stormfront is probably not too fond of my kind, to put it mildly… I’m sorry. And how does that make you feel? ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/90 "2016-01-12T20:07:07Z")
BlinkyAndPinky, please explain your position. Ok the armies of the west have crushed and defeated the armies of Islam. Yay for you. Now what do you do? You’ve got 1.6 billion people spread across dozens of countries. Do you occupy those countries forever? Force them to change religion at sword point? Something else? please do tell. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/91 "2016-01-12T20:09:42Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I have survived 8 years of Obama, so I have nothing to fear, as few things could be worse. So just out of interest, what is your Plan B? How well forged is your mettle after 8 years of unrelenting oppression to your civilisation/religion/culture/dignity? Should Trump not win the nomination, or lose in the general running as either GOP or IND , what are you going to do? If Donald is not The One, where do you turn for the one who is? Are you “hands on” enough to hammer in a few lawn signs for the cause, maybe even throw your own hat into the ring or are you more of a “somebody else should bomb 'em from 40,000” kind of a guy? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/92 "2016-01-12T20:19:38Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Stormfront is probably not too fond of my kind, to put it mildly… Lesbian? Gay? African-American? Lesbian African-American? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/93 "2016-01-12T20:21:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Lesbian? Gay? African-American? Lesbian African-American? Don’t forget the left-handed Anabaptists! ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/94 "2016-01-12T20:24:12Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > well maybe I should not have been so joking in the other thread… The other thread? ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/95 "2016-01-12T20:30:21Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > BlinkyAndPinky, please explain your position. Ok the armies of the west have crushed and defeated the armies of Islam. Yay for you. Now what do you do? You’ve got 1.6 billion people spread across dozens of countries. Do you occupy those countries forever? Force them to change religion at sword point? Something else? please do tell. There are multiple options, and also a combination of options that can be exercised. Global events change quickly, and much of what could or will happen will depend on specific events that will take place in the future, that nobody can yet predict, as they haven’t happened yet of course. Plans will have to adapt and change, depending upon what takes place in the world. One is complete isolation, where the West and Islam are separated. A few people would have to relocate and move. I do recognize that not all Muslims are evil, and Muslims that have been verified to be true atheist Muslims could be allowed to remain in certain Western countries. A person doesn’t get to choose what religion they are born into of course. All others would have to go, all those who would fail to pass the test. This test would obviously have to be a very reliable test with an extremely high accuracy rate. I believe that the technology will be here and certainly in the future to make such a test fully viable and realistic. Another option is complete colonization, where Western friendly dictators are re-installed in various countries and regions. I feel that it is unwise to go into extreme detail or list every possible other option, because in times of war, certain details are best left hidden from the enemy, unlike with the current administration, where they release advance info of US military tactics and future plans to the enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/96 "2016-01-12T20:33:44Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > So just out of interest, what is your Plan B? > > How well forged is your mettle after 8 years of unrelenting oppression to your civilisation/religion/culture/dignity? > > Should Trump not win the nomination, or lose in the general running as either GOP or IND , what are you going to do? > > If Donald is not The One, where do you turn for the one who is? > > Are you “hands on” enough to hammer in a few lawn signs for the cause, maybe even throw your own hat into the ring or are you more of a “somebody else should bomb 'em from 40,000” kind of a guy? I do believe that Donald Trump will win, but this can not be predicted with a 100% certainty of course, and should either Hillary or Bernie win, then it would be extremely bad for the US and the civilized world in general, but I would somehow manage to survive another few years of a poorly run US. It wouldn’t be the end of the US as we know it, but merely one step closer to it. ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/97 "2016-01-12T20:34:20Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > true atheist Muslims What, pray tell, is an atheist Muslim? The term is meaningless, so your test would be as well. > [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > tAnother option is complete colonization, where Western friendly dictators are re-installed in various countries and regions. And that has worked SO well in the past, right? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/98 "2016-01-12T20:34:24Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > One is complete isolation, where the West and Islam are separated. A few people would have to relocate and move. I do recognize that not all Muslims are evil, and Muslims that have been verified to be true atheist Muslims could be allowed to remain in certain Western countries. A person doesn’t get to choose what religion they are born into of course. All others would have to go, all those who would fail to pass the test. So pogroms and mass deportation, along with the complete abolition of freedom of religion. Also, what in the name of Maynard G. Krebs is a “true atheist Muslim”? > [@](#): > > Another option is complete colonization, where Western friendly dictators are re-installed > in various countries and regions. Because, you know, that worked out _so well_ the last time we tried it. Is your understanding of history so thin that you don’t understand that the legacy of colonialism is probably the single biggest factor in why Islamic extremism continues to flourish today? > [@](#): > > I feel that it is unwise to go into extreme detail or list every possible other option, because in times of war, certain details are best left hidden from the enemy And I’m sure ISIS is waiting with bated breath for each and every one of your posts, hoping to glean some kernel of intel on how you intend to defeat them. > [@](#): > > unlike with the current administration, where they release advance info of US military tactics and future plans to the enemy. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/99 "2016-01-12T20:35:28Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > It wouldn’t be the end of the US as we know it, but merely one step closer to it. Whereas it is apparently your assertion that the mass forced deportation of millions of American citizens on the basis of their religion would _not_ be “a step closer to the end of the US as we know it”. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/100 "2016-01-12T20:35:40Z")
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