# Islam would be crushed in a war against the west **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 12, 2016, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916 "2016-01-12T10:52:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/101 "2016-01-12T20:42:51Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Cite? _“After nearly nine years, America’s war in Iraq will be over,” Obama said. “The coming months will be a season of homecomings. Our troops in Iraq will definitely be home for the holidays.”_ > **[Obama: Iraq war will be over by year’s end; troops coming home | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/21/world/meast/iraq-us-troops/)** > > President Barack Obama said Friday virtually all U.S. troops will come home from Iraq by the end of the year, ending the U.S. war there. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/102 "2016-01-12T20:43:24Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I’m saying he would try to mobilize support for it and if he got it, he would definitely do it. Whether he got it or not depends on the political climate of the time. If you don’t think it could happen here, I suppose many Germans thought the same in 1930. This is just as nutty as the OP. You think President Trump would sit around with his advisers and contemplate rounding up all Muslims in the US and gas them? And people in this thread agree with you; oy, it’s worse than I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/103 "2016-01-12T20:44:39Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > _“After nearly nine years, America’s war in Iraq will be over,” Obama said. “The coming months will be a season of homecomings. Our troops in Iraq will definitely be home for the holidays.”_ You do realize that the timetable for our departure from Iraq was set by the Bush administration, right? Obama wasn’t saying anything that hadn’t already been public knowledge for three years. Also, that war _was_ over. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/104 "2016-01-12T20:46:40Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > There are multiple options, and also a combination of options that can be exercised. Global events change quickly, and much of what could or will happen will depend on specific events that will take place in the future, that nobody can yet predict, as they haven’t happened yet of course. Plans will have to adapt and change, depending upon what takes place in the world. > > One is complete isolation, where the West and Islam are separated. A few people would have to relocate and move. I do recognize that not all Muslims are evil, and Muslims that have been verified to be true atheist Muslims could be allowed to remain in certain Western countries. A person doesn’t get to choose what religion they are born into of course. All others would have to go, all those who would fail to pass the test. This test would obviously have to be a very reliable test with an extremely high accuracy rate. I believe that the technology will be here and certainly in the future to make such a test fully viable and realistic. > > Another option is complete colonization, where Western friendly dictators are re-installed > in various countries and regions. > > I feel that it is unwise to go into extreme detail or list every possible other option, because in times of war, certain details are best left hidden from the enemy, unlike with the current administration, where they release advance info of US military tactics and future plans to the enemy. You know who else had great plans for colonization and mass “relocation” of certain populations…? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/105 "2016-01-12T20:49:01Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > _“After nearly nine years, America’s war in Iraq will be over,” Obama said. “The coming months will be a season of homecomings. Our troops in Iraq will definitely be home for the holidays.”_ > > [http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/21/world/meast/iraq-us-troops/](http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/21/world/meast/iraq-us-troops/) As opposed to what? Sneaking 80,000 troops out of Iraq in the dead of night, without telling our allies? Or are you suggesting we should continue to spend \*$2 billion a week \*in a state of perpetual warfare in a country that doesn’t want us there? ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/106 "2016-01-12T20:51:58Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You do realize that the timetable for our departure from Iraq was set by the Bush administration, right? > > Obama wasn’t saying anything that hadn’t already been public knowledge for three years. > > Also, that war _was_ over. Why would Obama be advertising that he is currently sending less than 50 special forces troops to Kurdish controlled areas of Syria, thus putting an extra target on these US soldier’s heads, and telling the enemy exactly what the US is doing? Instead of holding a press conference, why shouldn’t Obama just invite representatives of ISIS to the Whitehouse and he could simply brief them personally? I agree with Trump when he says that our leaders are stupid. I am not sure if it is stupidity, incompetence or deliberate acts of evil, but I do believe that it’s wrong. \*White House spokesman Josh Earnest said that the U.S. would be deploying “less than 50” Special Operations forces, who will be sent to Kurdish-controlled territory in northern Syria. \* > **[Syria: Obama authorizes boots on ground to fight ISIS | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/30/politics/syria-troops-special-operations-forces/)** > > The United States is set to deploy troops on the ground in Syria for the first time to advise and assist rebel forces combating ISIS, the White House said Friday. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/107 "2016-01-12T20:52:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What in the Wide Wide World Of Sports is an “atheist Muslim”? presumably he means muslims that go to the mosque and outwardly act as muslims but like to get drunk in private and are not actually religious. This is the only part of the OP’s post that isn’t completely nutty. There are certainly plenty of people born in muslim countries that go along with the formalities due to societies expectations but aren’t particularly devout. I really would like to know about this “test” he thinks can be developed? A test for extremism? Like a blood test? Do tell us more? ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/108 "2016-01-12T20:53:25Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > All others would have to go, all those who would fail to pass the test. This test would obviously have to be a very reliable test with an extremely high accuracy rate. I believe that the technology will be here and certainly in the future to make such a test fully viable and realistic. This is comedy gold. A test. That essentially looks into a person’s soul. And it determines with “extremely high accuracy” their religious beliefs. Will it be like a DUI breathalyzer, and alarms go off when it detects your blood / Islam content is above .04? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/109 "2016-01-12T20:54:50Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Why would Obama be advertising that he is currently sending less than 50 special forces troops to Kurdish controlled Syria, thus putting an extra target on these US soldier’s heads, and telling the enemy exactly what the US is doing? Do you suppose there might possibly be a military advantage to _intimidating_ the enemy and letting them know exactly what we’re capable of? Or do you think that the jihadists wouldn’t _notice_ that there were American soldiers shooting at them and we could just keep it a secret indefinitely? I suppose you think Truman was committing treason when he dropped leaflets on Hiroshima and Nagasaki telling the people to get out. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/110 "2016-01-12T20:55:29Z")
Can somebody explain what the context of this thread is all about? Islam is a religion, not a country. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/111 "2016-01-12T20:59:26Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Can somebody explain what the context of this thread is all about? Islam is a religion, not a country. We’re gonna bomb Allah, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/112 "2016-01-12T21:00:01Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Can somebody explain what the context of this thread is all about? Islam is a religion, not a country. evidently the original poster of this thread has fantasies of freeing the west from the threat of islam with some kind of global crusade. But there definitely won’t be any genocide involved… no sir, not one little bit. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/113 "2016-01-12T21:04:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > We’re gonna bomb Allah, apparently. I’d say nuke Him from orbit, but not sure how we’d do that. But we are AMERICA, FUCK YA! Weeze can do anything!! 🆒 :smack:😛 ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/114 "2016-01-12T21:09:51Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Can somebody explain what the context of this thread is all about? Islam is a religion, not a country. Are you making the mistake of thinking the original post is a rational idea? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/115 "2016-01-12T21:10:53Z")
> [@XT](#): > > I’d say nuke Him from orbit, but not sure how we’d do that. But we are AMERICA, FUCK YA! Weeze can do anything!! 🆒 > > :smack:😛 It would obviously be a waste of time and energy to go after something that doesn’t exist, but there are certain things that do exist, and should it ever be necessary, then the West could always go after viable targets of importance that do exist, such as that black stone and the square building that houses it in Saudi Arabia, just as an example. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/116 "2016-01-12T21:13:42Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Are you making the mistake of thinking the original post is a rational idea? 😉 It is not so much an idea as it is a prediction of what can become a likely outcome, based on how the world currently has become and current events that are taking place and will be taking place in the future. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/117 "2016-01-12T21:14:30Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The OP proposes that Islam - a religion with nearly two billion followers - will be “defeated” within ten years and there will be so few Muslims left that the world will forget it ever existed. > > Do you suppose he’s suggesting that they’ll all become secular humanists overnight? He’s not advocating genocide. He’s predicting the outcome of a total war between two, in his point of view, incompatible cultures. He’s not wrong. If the U.S waged total war with any group of 3rd world countries the result would be annihilation. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/118 "2016-01-12T21:15:54Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > the West could always go after viable targets of importance that do exist, such as that black stone and the square building that houses it in Saudi Arabia, just as an example. You realise that the Romans did exactly that. Completely destroyed the second temple, ruthlessly crushed Jewish uprisings, occupied Judea for hundreds of years. 2000 years later the Jews still exist, but the Roman empire doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/119 "2016-01-12T21:16:14Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > He’s not advocating genocide. He’s predicting the outcome of a total war between two, in his point of view, incompatible cultures. He’s not wrong. If the U.S waged total war with any group of 3rd world countries the result would be annihilation. So anyone who is advocating total war against any third world countries is advocating genocide. How is that not the inescapable conclusion? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/120 "2016-01-12T21:16:19Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I do believe that Donald Trump will win, but this can not be predicted with a 100% certainty of course… How certain are you, then? Because I’d like to arrange that wager. I’ll give you five to one odds. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916.md?page=7)