# Islam would be crushed in a war against the west **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 12, 2016, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916 "2016-01-12T10:52:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/121 "2016-01-12T21:16:29Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > He’s not advocating genocide. No, of course not. Not _[at this moment in time](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19009053&postcount=8)_ anyway. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/122 "2016-01-12T21:16:50Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > It would obviously be a waste of time and energy to go after something that doesn’t exist, but there are certain things that do exist, and should it ever be necessary, then the West could always go after viable targets of importance that do exist, such as that black stone and the square building that houses it in Saudi Arabia, just as an example. Shhhhh… fuck!.. Now they know what we’re planning! I thought you said you Trump supporters were the smart ones? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/123 "2016-01-12T21:17:40Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Why would Obama be advertising that he is currently sending less than 50 special forces troops to **Kurdish controlled** areas of Syria, thus putting an extra target on these US soldier’s heads, and telling the enemy exactly what the US is doing? Instead of holding a press conference, why shouldn’t Obama just invite representatives of ISIS to the Whitehouse and he could simply brief them personally? Uh, why would the Kurds kill the Americans who are helping them? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/124 "2016-01-12T21:18:24Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Of course he hasn’t. He merely believes that “the rise of parties in Europe that are actually concerned about their country and the well being of their citizens” results in a war where “the entirety of Islam would be defeated in less than a decade…the religion would practically be forgotten in the future, as there would be so few practitioners of it left” > > So we’re somehow going from 1.5billion practioners to not enough left to remember, in a decade…but absolutely no genocide involved, right? A comet may hit the earth and wipe out humanity. Oh nos!!! I just _ **advocated** _ genocide… To be clear, a prediction is not the same as the enthusiastic promotion. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/125 "2016-01-12T21:22:11Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Shhhhh… fuck!.. Now they know what we’re planning! > > I thought you said you Trump supporters were the smart ones? :smack: I have not made any mention whatsoever as to the intelligence or lack of intelligence among Trump supporters. If I were in charge of things, I actually wouldn’t bomb it, I would want it to not be damaged or harmed, and I believe that stealing it would be the optimal strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/126 "2016-01-12T21:22:28Z")
of course, the act of an asteriod is just like the action of of government… and of course genocide is a word used for things like natural disasters. I see your reasoning about this is as at the level of your statistics understanding, all in the service of the expression of hatreds (but is interesting the non denunciation comments the masquerade has attracted) ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/127 "2016-01-12T21:27:30Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So anyone who is advocating total war against any third world countries is advocating genocide. How is that not the inescapable conclusion? He’s predicting a clash of civilizations, in his first post at least, that will lead to total war. He doesn’t indicate, directly at least, that he wants total war to eliminate Islam and Muslims. Furthermore, it’s the latter that would be genocide. His later posts are more strongly worded, but his first is a prediction. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/128 "2016-01-12T21:29:14Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > If I were in charge of things, I actually wouldn’t bomb it, I would want it to not be damaged or harmed, and I believe that stealing it would be the optimal strategy. Okay, Gru. But first you must obtain the shrinking ray gun from the North Koreans. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/129 "2016-01-12T21:29:50Z")
Not really seeing a lot of debate here. Lots of bickering, though. Off to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/130 "2016-01-12T21:33:39Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > He’s predicting a clash of civilizations, in his first post at least, that will lead to total war. He doesn’t indicate, directly at least, that he wants total war to eliminate Islam and Muslims. Furthermore, it’s the latter that would be genocide. His later posts are more strongly worded, but his first is a prediction. If I could choose, then I of course would choose for world peace, but I do not see that as a very realistic option. If various elements of Islam are going to keep on attacking the west and if various elements of Islam are going to keep on provoking the west, then I am merely predicting what I believe to be a natural and likely outcome. The west will obviously not be putting up with this stuff for decades to come. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/131 "2016-01-12T21:35:03Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > of course, the act of an asteriod is just like the action of of government… and of course genocide is a word used for things like natural disasters. > > I see your reasoning about this is as at the level of your statistics understanding, all in the service of the expression of hatreds > > (but is interesting the non denunciation comments the masquerade has attracted) The word “if” is obviously confounding. I cannot believe the poor reading comprehension in this thread. These are 4th grade sentences… Even my elementary aged children can distinguish the following test sentences. 1). Let’s set off a bomb in a stadium and kill 20 or more people. 2). If a bomb was detonated in a stadium 20 or more people will die. English, expletive deleted, do y’all read it?!?!? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/132 "2016-01-12T21:36:59Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Not really seeing a lot of debate here. Lots of bickering, though. > > Off to the Pit. So any thread that is derailed by people who can’t read really really good, by choice or by mental flaw, gets sent to the pit? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/133 "2016-01-12T21:37:14Z")
This is the funniest thread I’ve seen on this board in some time. I thought it was flagging, and then we got to the technological Muslim test and it got even better. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/134 "2016-01-12T21:41:10Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Stormfront is probably not too fond of my kind, to put it mildly, and smearing people with racist labels is not a very effective tool anymore. Really? have you read any Republican talking points lately? ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/135 "2016-01-12T21:49:00Z")
Wait I forget, now this is in the Pit are we allowed to call the original poster a troll or not? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/136 "2016-01-12T21:49:21Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > If I could choose, then I of course would choose for world peace, but I do not see that as a very realistic option. Not as long as murder-happy assholes like you are around, it ain’t. > [@octopus](#): > > So any thread that is derailed by people who can’t read really really good, by choice or by mental flaw, gets sent to the pit? The OP was a shithole of an OP. It was never on the rails in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/137 "2016-01-12T21:50:38Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Wait I forget, now this is in the Pit are we allowed to call the original poster a troll or not? Much as I wish the asshole OP were a troll, the world is full of Trump supporters, and there’s no reason to believe they don’t include wannabe Nazis like the OP among their numbers. He looks sincere to me. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/138 "2016-01-12T21:53:10Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Not really seeing a lot of debate here. Lots of bickering, though. > > Off to the Pit. And the idiocy of the shia - sunni thread is for the Great debates? > [@octopus](#): > > The word “if” is obviously confounding. Since your idiotic drooling post did not have the word if, this is not at all relevant. my comment was on your lack of basic reasoning skills and general stupidity, not the op which I have noted in the prior posts I do not take seriously - it is obviously masquerading. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/139 "2016-01-12T21:53:45Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > If various elements of Islam are going to keep on attacking the west and if various elements of Islam are going to keep on provoking the west As long as you keep insisting that “Islam” and “the West” are mutually exclusive and diametrically opposed to one another, any conclusion drawn based on those premises will be fundamentally flawed. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916/140 "2016-01-12T21:59:04Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > If the alternative was an Islamic takeover of the entire world, then I would definitely believe that genocide is a viable and good alternative to the predicament presented. > > But I am not advocating for any genocide at this moment in time. Well, you said: > [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Islamic world has no chance, and if a real war ever broke out between the West VS all of Islam, then the entirety of Islam would be defeated in less than a decade, and I believe that the religion would practically be forgotten in the future, as there would be so few practitioners of it left . . . If we rule out – as any reasonable person must – the possibility of mass apostasy by Muslims to other faiths or none, then genocide becomes the only way that prophecy is fulfilled. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-would-be-crushed-in-a-war-against-the-west/742916.md?page=8)