# Islamophobia, or how I learned to miss propaganda **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 4, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154 "2011-04-04T15:46:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/21 "2011-04-04T19:12:32Z")
> [@Darryl\_Lict](#): > > The article describes him as Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, U.S. Army (Ret.), so I assume he is already out of the military. That’s the dipshit who wrote the article, yes. I know of him chiefly as one of the nutjobs who tries to blame school shootings (and cop killings, and any other violence he doesn’t personally approve of, apparently) on video games. It sounds like he’s found another vein of paranoia to leech on. I think **sh1bu1** was referring to the _other_ dipshit, the officer who spammed out a mail with Grossman’s column pasted into it. That guy is presumably still in the military. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/22 "2011-04-04T19:18:54Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Well, that was amusing, in an admittedly sick way. I was particularly taken with the author calling his column “The Bullet Proof Mind”. Er, quite. > > Also, from Lt. Col. Grossman’s bio: What. The. Fuck. And not for the reason you’d think; I’d just assumed it was some random idiot and hadn’t noticed it was by Grossman til you pointed it out. Killology isn’t as April fool’s as you’d think; Grossman wrote [On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society](http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/0316330116) which was an insightful book although I didn’t wholly agree with some of his conclusions. It’s amazing that the same man wrote both. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/23 "2011-04-04T19:41:30Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > As evidence of this ludicrously far-fetched theory, he cites the Indian rebellion of 1857, an event which was not really about Islam, did not take place on a single day, and was notoriously uncoordinated. He also references some story from the bible. > [@](#): > > I haven’t looked it up, but that was before Pakistan and Bengal split off, so it may have been more Muslim than it is now, but your larger point is true. India was a mixed-bag of religions and the uprising had everything to do with independence from Britain and nothing to do with Islam. Many (most?) of those rebelling would have been Hindi. Well, I bet there were more Muslims in India then there are in the Bible, anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/24 "2011-04-04T19:50:23Z")
[http://www.policeone.com/Officer-Saf...uture-attacks/](http://www.policeone.com/Officer-Saf...uture-attacks/) I like the little shitting on the French in passing. So Muslims have taken our place on the US shit list? Kudos to the Muslims, it will give you roguish charm. ---
**Author:** ![buckgully](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb9ed0/32.png) [@buckgully](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buckgully)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/25 "2011-04-04T19:51:56Z")
Dear lord, why did I read the comments? I was having such a nice day, too. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/26 "2011-04-04T19:52:30Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Well, that was amusing, in an admittedly sick way. I was particularly taken with the author calling his column “The Bullet Proof Mind”. Er, quite. > > Also, from Lt. Col. Grossman’s bio: > > > [@](#): > > > > He has combined his experiences as a former Army Ranger and former West Point psychology professor and a professor of military science to become the founder of a new field of scientific endeavor, which has been termed “killology.” > > It was at this point that I began to think this was some sort of April Fool’s prank. He’s also working on a new martial arts form, that combines [the skill of gymnastics, with the kill of karate.](http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/gymkata/) ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/27 "2011-04-04T19:55:10Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > He’s also working on a new martial arts form, that combines [the skill of gymnastics, with the kill of karate.](http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/gymkata/) If this guy’s life ever gets adapted into a movie, I want Will Ferrel in it. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/28 "2011-04-04T20:20:49Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > He’s also working on a new martial arts form, that combines [the skill of gymnastics, with the kill of karate.](http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/gymkata/) That is friggin’ awesome. In an Six million Dollar Man kinda way. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/29 "2011-04-04T20:58:23Z")
If I had paid for a custom status line, I would so change it to “Doctor of Killology”. ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/30 "2011-04-04T21:18:46Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > He’s also working on a new martial arts form, that combines [the skill of gymnastics, with the kill of karate.](http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/gymkata/) Does he also go by the name of [Judah Friedlander](http://www.judahfriedlander.com/)? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/31 "2011-04-04T21:19:53Z")
> [@gravitycrash](#): > > \ > I guess we need to keep a closer eye out for those pesky Canadians though. We’re not doing anything up here. NOTHING! > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > If I had paid for a custom status line, I would so change it to “Doctor of Killology”. Well, as luck would have it, I DID pay for a custom title (albeit accidentally, but it still counts). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/32 "2011-04-04T21:35:47Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > He’s also working on a new martial arts form, that combines [the skill of gymnastics, with the kill of karate.](http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/gymkata/) [Gymkata](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymkata)! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/33 "2011-04-04T22:48:13Z")
The infamous pommel horse scene: [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gTkUcXGF_Q) LOL!\* - Can’t fight it anymore, LOL was accepted by the Oxford Dictionary just recently. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/34 "2011-04-05T08:06:15Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > …How on earth could you coordinate every single Muslim on earth without tipping off positively everyone? … The coordination part is easy. The attack order will be encoded into a speech given by Barack Hussein Obama, because his speeches are broadcast everywhere in the world. As for the danger of a tip-off: blah blah blah blah Barack Hussein Obama Barack Hussein Obama Barack Hussein Obama Barack Hussein Obama!!! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/35 "2011-04-05T08:37:10Z")
Doing the math on this… Muslims account for approximately 0.55% of the US population, and the US population amounted to about 310 million in the 2010 Census. Each and every one of them ONLY has to murder 180 of the rest of us and we’re DONE FOR! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/36 "2011-04-05T09:07:14Z")
I think the propaganda went away because we thought the idea had wizened up. ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/37 "2011-04-05T12:56:43Z")
> [@buckgully](#): > > Dear lord, why did I read the comments? > > I was having such a nice day, too. Ithis comment is spot on! > [@](#): > > If you want further evidence confirming what Col. Grossman is saying, look no further than Japan in WWII. What kept them from invading our mainland was the fear that everyone was armed and success would be impossible. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/38 "2011-04-05T13:00:04Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I think the propaganda went away because we thought the idea had **wizened** up. That word – I do not think it means what you think it means. > [@](#): > > Adj. 1. wizened - lean and wrinkled by shrinkage as from age or illness; “the old woman’s shriveled skin”; “he looked shriveled and ill”; “a shrunken old man”; “a lanky scarecrow of a man with withered face and lantern jaws”-W.F.Starkie; “he did well despite his withered arm”; “a wizened little man with frizzy grey hair” ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/39 "2011-04-05T15:05:22Z")
> [@margin](#): > > The Indian rebellion of 1857? Is he referring to the nation of India or the Native Americans here in America? Because either way it makes zero sense. I’m really sleep deprived but isn’t India mostly Hindu? Yeah well, don’t quote me on this but I’m reasonably sure the closest the Bible comes to having Muslims in it is the history of Abraham’s two sons (an obsolete term to refer to Arabs is “Ismaelite”, as in “the children of Ismael”). Maybe DEA ought’a have a talk with the guy about the source of his colored pills. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154/40 "2011-04-05T15:09:38Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > It’s the [Indian Rebellion of 1857](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857) against the rule of the [East India Company](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company) in India. Both Hindus and Muslims took part in the revolt. And at that, wasn’t it triggered by a specific new East India Company policy that insulted _Hindus_? Or am I thinking of a different rebellion? Anyway, it’s obviously not like facts matter to these people, so really there’s not much point in asking. I hate bigots so very much. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islamophobia-or-how-i-learned-to-miss-propaganda/577154.md?page=3)