# Isn't celebrating Kwanza just being anti-white? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 25, 2000, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146 "2000-12-25T03:36:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2000, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/21 "2000-12-26T22:59:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Black Muslims in the 60’s were known to > specifically reject Christianity as “the religion of the oppressor,” and much of the angry rhetoric of the time included > messages of separatism. Muslims rejecting Christianity? My heavens–what kind of topsy-turvy world do we live in?? The next thing you know, the _Jews_ will be rejecting Christianity!! > [@](#): > > For whatever reason, Kwanzaa was set the very day after the largest holiday of the year. > Why? You may as well ask why Christmas was set so near Saturnalia, Yule and Hannukah. Looks like the Christians are far more guilty on this count. Oh, and Christmas isn’t the largest holiday of the Christian calendar. Easter is. You know, the Crucifixion and Resurrection and all? ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2000, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/22 "2000-12-26T23:32:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JuanitaTech \* > \*\*How is Christmas inclusive? By it’s very nature, celebrating the birth of Christ as the Messiah, it is exclusive. It excludes non-Christians. > > So Kwanzaa was invented. So what? To non-Christians, Christmas is a made up holiday celebrating the birth of some dead guy. Almost all holidays are ‘made up’ at one time or another. \*\* [HIJACK] Well, actually, both Christmas and Easter were originally pagan festivals co-opted by the Christians to make Christianity more attractive to both prospective and recent converts. Or, to be a little more precise, these were pagan festivals–the Saturnalia of the Romans and the Yule of the Germanic pagans–that were gradually Christianized because it was impossible to uproot them entirely. [/HIJACK] ---
**Author:** ![Ptahlis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a8b319/32.png) [@Ptahlis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ptahlis)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2000, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/23 "2000-12-27T03:50:54Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by pldennison \* \*\* > [@](#): > > Muslims rejecting Christianity? My heavens–what kind of topsy-turvy world do we live in?? The next thing you know, the _Jews_ will be rejecting Christianity!! > \*\* Well of course I don’t expect Muslims to be Christians. The point is that Christianity was rejected specifically as the **religion of the oppressor**. Not universally, and probably not even by a majority of its new adherents. But some in Malcolm X’s crowd IIRC were laying that rhetoric down fairly heavily. \*\* > [@](#): > > You may as well ask why Christmas was set so near Saturnalia, Yule and Hannukah. Looks like the Christians are far more guilty on this count. > \*\* I _know_ why the Catholics scheduled Christmas where they did. Not being a Christian, I don’t really care one way or another. I suspect similar motives of the creator of Kwanzaa. Is this unreasonable? \*\* > [@](#): > > Oh, and Christmas isn’t the largest holiday of the Christian calendar. Easter is. You know, the Crucifixion and Resurrection and all? > > \*\* Yes, to devout Christians anyway. All in all, the celebration of Easter isn’t even a tenth that of the Christmas season though. Christmas promotion begins before Halloween some places, has dozens and dozens of specific songs known to even the nonreligious, involves parties, family get togethers, caroling, elaborate decorations, dozens of TV specials, and billions of dollars worth of merchandise. Easter has pastel M&M’s, Cadbury Creme Eggs, and a rabbit. While Easter may have a deeper meaning to the devout, as holiday celebrations go it doesn’t even stack up to Independance Day. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2000, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/24 "2000-12-27T06:29:54Z")
I think [this](http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/viewbo.cfm?uc_full_date=20001217&uc_comic=bo&uc_daction=X) about says it all. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2000, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/25 "2000-12-27T07:08:40Z")
Of course, [this](http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/viewbo.cfm?uc_full_date=20001227&uc_comic=bo&uc_daction=X) seems pertinent to this thread, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Nocturne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9fc348/32.png) [@Nocturne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nocturne)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2000, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/26 "2000-12-27T07:09:36Z")
Slight nitpick here… If Jesus was a Jew…and if my knowledge of the races is correct…then Jesus was not a “white male.” Or at least, not considered Caucasian. Continue with your rat-killing. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2000, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/27 "2000-12-27T07:45:48Z")
People who atually believe in the taxonomy of Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid place the Semitic peoples in the Caucasoid group. The only people who have begun trying to place Jews outside the “white” category are a few Aryan-nut-case groups who have tried to define their pseudo-science hatreds subsequent to the Nazis and their “Aryan” pseudo-science. (The same groups try to put the Italians, and sometimes the Spanish, outside the “white” category. They only include Greeks because they want to claim that Socrates and Aristotle were “white.”) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2000, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/28 "2000-12-27T07:54:47Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by David B \* > \*\* > Your example is of a person who is interfering with the actions of others_\* No, it’s not. The other people are free to continue singing the American National Anthem regardless of what anyone else sings. > [@](#): > > So what if they want to reject a holiday that they don’t feel represents them? Isn’t, implicit in the claim that Christmas doesn’t represent them, there the claim that Christmas is racist? Biggirl: > [@](#): > > The Ryan can be excused only in that he seems not to know what Kwanzaa is about. I see. The “anyone who disagrees with me doesn’t know what they’re talking about” argument. > [@](#): > > But the fear of a black holiday can be heard in his words. The conceit of someone who believes she knows what other people are thinking can be heard in Biggirl’s words. > [@](#): > > Hail Ants seems to be under the same misconceptions as The Ryan. The refrain being aren’t our holidays good enough for black people? Why do they have to go around making up their own? Is putting words in other people’s mouths the extent of your rhetorical skills? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2000, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/29 "2000-12-27T08:28:24Z")
> [@](#): > > Isn’t, implicit in the claim that Christmas doesn’t represent them, there the claim that Christmas is racist? Not at all. It could easily mean that they are not followers of Christianity. It could mean that they are Christians, but do not feel the pull of the originally-pagan soltice festivals that Christmas co-opted. It could mean a whole lot of things without having a charge of “racism” dumped on it. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2000, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/30 "2000-12-27T13:18:51Z")
The Ryan said: > [@](#): > > Isn’t, implicit in the claim that Christmas doesn’t represent them, there the claim that Christmas is racist? Well, isn’t it? I mean, have you ever heard anybody singing about the dream for a _black_ Christmas? Huh? Huh? Have you? [🙂 captioned for the humor impaired] ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2000, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/31 "2000-12-27T15:10:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > Biggirl: > > > [@](#): > > > > The Ryan can be excused only in that he seems not to know what Kwanzaa is about. > > I see. The “anyone who disagrees with me doesn’t know what they’re talking about” argument. The fact that you don’t agree with me is _not_ what brought me to my conclusions. It was statements like this: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > Isn’t, implicit in the claim that Christmas doesn’t represent them, there the claim that Christmas is racist? and this: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > I think that, at the very least, implicit in Kwaanza is the claim that Christmas is racist. Not celebrating Christams is one thing. But going out of one’s way to reject it is quite another. It’s like the difference between not singing the national anthem, and loudly singing the British national anthem while everyone else is singing the American one. That lead me to believe you don’t know what Kwanzaa is about. There is nothing about Kwanzaa that says you have to reject Christmas. Which part of the six principles say: Christmas should not be celebrated, it is the custom of your oppressor? Let me check again: Unity, faith, self-determination, purpose, responsibility, co-operative economics. Nope, nothing here about rejecting Christmas. You are wrong The Ryan, not because _I_ say so, but because you don’t know what Kwanzaa is about. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > > > [@](#): > > > > But the fear of a black holiday can be heard in his words. > > The conceit of someone who believes she knows what other people are thinking can be heard in Biggirl’s words. I refer to Hail Ants own words: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hail Ants \* > It was a tacked-on symbol to express a feeling of anti-white more than pro-black, i.e. that Christmas was somehow inherently white (and racist). I was not putting words into anyone’s mouth, only interpreting what I read. So, straighten me out on this The Ryan. What, again are your objections to Kwanzaa? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2000, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/32 "2000-12-27T15:42:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > \*\*People who atually believe in the taxonomy of Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid place the Semitic peoples in the Caucasoid group. > > The only people who have begun trying to place Jews outside the “white” category are a few Aryan-nut-case groups who have tried to define their pseudo-science hatreds subsequent to the Nazis and their “Aryan” pseudo-science. > \*\* [Hijack} Sorry to wander into this thread unannounced, but I have to ask, Tom - you don’t know that many Yemenite Jews, do you? The ancient Jews were almost definitely a shortish, dark-haired, olive-skinned people, much like the other nations of the Levant. So if you define their cousins, the Arabs, as “white”, then you can use the same definition on the Jews. Most people, however, don’t. It seems to me, Tom, that you’ve been exposed mainly to European Jews, who’ve intermingled eith their neighbours quite a lot over the last millenia or two. If you’d had met some more Morroccan, Iraqi, Kurdish or Ethiopean Jews, you’d be more hesitant in dealing out racial definitions. Alessan (who, despite his blondish hair, blue eyes and pale skin, does not really think of himself as being “white”). [/Hijack] ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2000, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/33 "2000-12-27T19:34:40Z")
The ethnologists of the nineteenth century only invented three “races” (we have had several threads on the subject, lately): Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid. Within those three groups, Arabs and Jews were clearly considered Caucasian, as were the Coptic Egyptians, the Persians, and most of the ethnic groups within the Indian subcontinent (although I don’t recall whether they considered the Mogols Caucasian or Mongoloid). Current anthropology provides for five “races”: blacks, whites, Pygmies, Khoisan, Asians, and Aboriginal Australians. (Citation from Jared Diamond’s article on _How Africa Became Black_ in [Discover Magazine Archives](http://www.discover.com/archive/index.html), February, 1994.) In each case, Jews (Yemenite or Ashkenazi or Sephardic or whoever) are considered “white.” I am aware of no reputable scientist who places Jews in a “non-white” category. The sole exceptions to this category would be the Falasha who are Ethiopians practicing (a form of) Judaism and the former K’ai-feng Jews who were Chinese practicing Judaism. ---
**Author:** ![JerseyDiamond](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@JerseyDiamond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerseyDiamond)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/34 "2000-12-28T02:51:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\*I would be very interested to hear your feelings on gay pride day (or maybe I wouldn’t). After all, that was a “created” holiday too, to bring together a particular oppressed group of people. And unless it’s at the end of June, you can’t really argue that it’s commemorating anything. > > So, let’s have it. If Kwanzaa is racist, does that mean that Gay Pride Day is heterophobic? \*\* Question, would you/anyone consider it racist\homophobic if someone invented straight pride day? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/35 "2000-12-28T04:21:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > Isn’t, implicit in the claim that Christmas doesn’t represent them, there the claim that Christmas is racist? > > Not at all. It could easily mean that they are not followers of Christianity. It could mean that they are Christians, but do not feel the pull of the originally-pagan soltice festivals that Christmas co-opted. It could mean a whole lot of things without having a charge of “racism” dumped on it. \*\* I’m not talking about what it _might_ mean. I’m talking about what it _does_ mean. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/36 "2000-12-28T04:43:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zoggie \* > I don’t think its anti-white because Christmas itself isn’t all inclusive… But Kwaanza’s noninlusiveness is a fundamental part of its nature. It was conceived **with the purpose** of giving black something to share, and of denying whites that something. Sure, whites **can** celebrate Kwaanza. But it is obvious that they are expected not to. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/37 "2000-12-28T04:49:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Biggirl \* > The refrain being aren’t our holidays good enough for black people? Why do they have to go around making up their own? Come to think of this, this statement supports my position. You clearly refer to Christmas as being a “white” holiday, and Kwaanza being a “black” holiday. How can you say that that is not racist? > [@](#): > > That lead me to believe you don’t know what Kwanzaa is about. There is nothing about Kwanzaa that says you have to reject Christmas. Which part of the six principles say: Christmas should not be celebrated, it is the custom of your oppressor? You’re bringing up a straw man. Sure, it is never explicitly stated that Kwaanza is a rejection of Christmas. But that doesn’t change the fact that this is part of what Kwaanza is about. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > But the fear of a black holiday can be heard in his words. > > The conceit of someone who believes she knows what other people are thinking can be heard in Biggirl’s words. I refer to Hail Ants own words: [/quote] WTF? Since when does Hail Ants speak for me? Or are all white people the same to you? > [@](#): > > So, straighten me out on this The Ryan. What, again are your objections to Kwanzaa? It’s fundamentally based on a segregationist paradigm. ---
**Author:** ![zen101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c68b51/32.png) [@zen101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zen101)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/38 "2000-12-28T05:15:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\*I would be very interested to hear your feelings on gay pride day (or maybe I wouldn’t). After all, that was a “created” holiday too, to bring together a particular oppressed group of people. And unless it’s at the end of June, you can’t really argue that it’s commemorating anything. > > So, let’s have it. If Kwanzaa is racist, does that mean that Gay Pride Day is heterophobic? \*\* Anyone can be gay (beige,brown,pink or orange), and at least in my community heterosexuals who are in PFLAG are encouraged to march as well. Gay pride also isn’t a holiday, it’s a political rally that happens annually and usually a lot more fun than any holiday march with the exception of Carnival in Rio. The primary difference is that Kwanza purports to be cultural specifically to those who can trace origins to that African continent thus making it an “ethnic” holiday. Although to be honest my cultural heritage includes the Northern part of the African continent I have no longings to celibrate Kwanza and while I’m not gay I do march in June (the usual time of year for Gay pride in Portland). Kwanza may be intended to be inclusive (I don’t know anyone who participates so I don’t know who to ask) but I don’t think it is. Thus you have an institution that actively segregates on the baisis of race whereas gay and bi activisim is very inclusive not only of race but or creed as well. List of created holidays that cross ethnic lines: American version of Christmas. Mother’s Day. Fathers Day. Valentines Day. Memorial Day. Veterans Day. President’s Day. Martin Luther King Day. 4th of July. Halloween. List of created holidays that exclude on the baisis of race: Kwanza. uhhh… I can’t think of any other ones. Special note on St Patricks Day as it relates to Kwanza. On St Patricks day “everyone is Irish.”. Maybe if the mottoe of Kwanza was “The time of year when everyone is African.” and I could wear my daishiki to work w/o looking to the “stupid Jew that dresses funny.” it would be cool. I’m not against Kwanza, it has no real effect on me at all but to say that it either does not discriminate or that it is ok for opressed people to discriminate because the are opressed is silly. I say if you want to have real interchange between people and cultural awareness then make Kwanza an American celibration of African culture and include non-africans in the celibration. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/39 "2000-12-28T06:25:06Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m not talking about what it _might_ mean. I’m talking about what it _does_ mean. No, you’re not. You are imposing a meaning on it for which you have provided no supporting evidence from the celebrants. Your question was “What is implicit in the claim?” and the answer is that there is nothing “implicit” in the claim. If supporters of Kwanzaa have not explicitly rejected Christmas, any meaning of that sort that you impose on it comes from your own beliefs. * * * > [@](#): > > List of created holidays that exclude on the baisis of race: > > Kwanza. > uhhh… > I can’t think of any other ones. Well, you are already batting zero, because Kwanzaa is not created to exclude anyone on the basis of race. There is nothing in the promotion of Kwanzaa that excludes anyone and even the earliest supporters of Kwanzaa did not claim that only blacks could participate. On the other hand, there is nothing particularly inviting (other than a desire to increase revenues from non-community participants) in the various Italian celebrations of the Assumption, the Greek festivals for Saint Nicholas, the Chinese New Year, etc. (I realize that they were not “created,” but then, the participants were not forced to give up all connection to their ethnic heritages when they were imported, thus breaking the ethnic ties that they might have had to a “traditional” festival.) Show me that you have protested those (exclusive) ethnic festivals and I will consider that _perhaps_ you aren’t simply some white guy that is upset that some black folk are having a good time. Considering the rather small percentage of the black community that even engages in Kwanzaa celebrations, and all this talk of “exclusion” and “rejection” really does look like frightened white folks worrying over nothing. ---
**Author:** ![zen101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c68b51/32.png) [@zen101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zen101)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146/40 "2000-12-28T07:04:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > \*\* > > On the other hand, there is nothing particularly inviting (other than a desire to increase revenues from non-community participants) in the various Italian celebrations of the Assumption, the Greek festivals for Saint Nicholas, the Chinese New Year, etc. (I realize that they were not “created,” but then, the participants were not forced to give up all connection to their ethnic heritages when they were imported, thus breaking the ethnic ties that they might have had to a “traditional” festival.) > > Show me that you have protested those (exclusive) ethnic festivals and I will consider that _perhaps_ you aren’t simply some white guy that is upset that some black folk are having a good time. > \*\* Umm, I’m not white. As for Greek festivals I have never seen one. Not much of a Greek community here I guess. Chineese holidays are a big deal here and are very much all inclusive in the Portland area. Same thing for Columbus day, and St Patricks day you must have heard of- or did you miss that line about “the day that everyone is Irish”? Also I have yet to protest Kwanza, but I do point out that it is exclusive or bu the mere fact that it does not invite multiracial participation it give the impression of being exclusive. Like I said, if it were inclusive I would actually be for it rather than indifferent (please note that it is possible to have an opinion and still not care. For example, I like women with black hair and Betty Paige bangs, but I don’t _care_ that most guys like blondes.). If you can actually show how I’m anti-Kwanza then I’ll aquiesce to your opinion of me (I guess I’ll become “white”) instead of thinking your reaction is similar to every other liblab reactionary. See, to me so long as you fail to read all that I have to say and yet feel that you have some basis to form a derogatory response based on what you _think_ I’m saying then you are truly missing it entirely. I stated clearly that my lineage includes North African and alluded to being a Jew. I’m not some paleface convert goyim, or some Woody Allen euro-hebe. I’m a big, dark, hairy Jew and don’t like it when people assume I’m a honkey. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isnt-celebrating-kwanza-just-being-anti-white/47146.md?page=3)