# Israel accused of spying on nuke talks and passing the info to US Congress. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 24, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-accused-of-spying-on-nuke-talks-and-passing-the-info-to-us-congress/715865 "2015-03-24T15:23:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-accused-of-spying-on-nuke-talks-and-passing-the-info-to-us-congress/715865/81 "2015-03-27T00:37:53Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Of course. And the fact that only Israel’s information was unredacted in the document, while the information pertaining to other countries was redacted is just a coincidence, right? You’ve presented no cite, so all I have to go on is Google (and the results are from extremely nutty “news” sites) – and I can’t find anything about what in particular was redacted and what was not (not that this was necessarily tell us anything about any possible motives). The fact that this was released in early Feb, long before Netanyahu’s speech, leads me to believe that the timing has nothing to do with any policy disagreements. > [@](#): > > The official acknowledgement, for the first time, of its nuclear program. How would this be damaging to Israel? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-accused-of-spying-on-nuke-talks-and-passing-the-info-to-us-congress/715865/82 "2015-03-27T00:40:45Z")
Considering the extreme nuttiness of the only US “news” sites reporting on this (the supposed Israel nuclear document declassification) so far, it’s very difficult to determine what might be factual and what is not. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-accused-of-spying-on-nuke-talks-and-passing-the-info-to-us-congress/715865/83 "2015-03-27T01:03:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You’ve presented no cite, so all I have to go on is Google (and the results are from extremely nutty “news” sites) – and I can’t find anything about what in particular was redacted and what was not (not that this was necessarily tell us anything about any possible motives). The fact that this was released in early Feb, long before Netanyahu’s speech, leads me to believe that the timing has nothing to do with any policy disagreements. > **[US Declassifies Document on Israel's Nuclear Power](http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/193175)** > > Obama revenge for Netanyahu's Congress talk? 1987 report on Israel's top secret nuclear program released in unprecedented move. Another highly suspicious aspect of the document is that while the Pentagon saw fit to declassify sections on Israel’s sensitive nuclear program, it kept sections on Italy, France, West Germany and other NATO countries classified, with those sections blocked out in the document. And it was not “long before Netanyahu’s speech”. It was right in the middle of the row about him coming to the US. > [@](#): > > How would this be damaging to Israel? Israel considered it prudent, for all these years, not to explicitly acknowledge it. Obama declassifying it goes against that policy. Why do you think Obama did that? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-accused-of-spying-on-nuke-talks-and-passing-the-info-to-us-congress/715865/84 "2015-03-27T01:23:54Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193175#.VRSsXeGgHDU](http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193175#.VRSsXeGgHDU) > > Another highly suspicious aspect of the document is that while the Pentagon saw fit to declassify sections on Israel’s sensitive nuclear program, it kept sections on Italy, France, West Germany and other NATO countries classified, with those sections blocked out in the document. That’s a rather vague claim (which sections exactly?) from a source of unknown reliability. > [@](#): > > And it was not “long before Netanyahu’s speech”. It was right in the middle of the row about him coming to the US. There have been similar “rows” for the past several months (and even years). Timing in any particular month could be deemed “suspicious” if one is inclined to look for suspicious motives. > [@](#): > > Israel considered it prudent, for all these years, not to explicitly acknowledge it. Obama declassifying it goes against that policy. Why do you think Obama did that? Cite that this came from Obama, and not the Pentagon complying with a court order? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-accused-of-spying-on-nuke-talks-and-passing-the-info-to-us-congress/715865/85 "2015-03-27T01:47:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That’s a rather vague claim (which sections exactly?) from a source of unknown reliability. If you stop up your ears and hum loudly, it will be even vaguer. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-accused-of-spying-on-nuke-talks-and-passing-the-info-to-us-congress/715865/86 "2015-03-27T01:52:56Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > If you stop up your ears and hum loudly, it will be even vaguer. Is that kind of like gobbling up right-wing fantasies about the evil Israel-hating President Hussein? I don’t know much about either. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-accused-of-spying-on-nuke-talks-and-passing-the-info-to-us-congress/715865/87 "2015-03-27T02:02:12Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That’s a rather vague claim (which sections exactly?) from a source of unknown reliability. > **[071987\_CTAIIANN.pdf](https://www.irmep.org/cfp/DoD/071987_CTAIIANN.pdf)** note: ALL sections other than Israel are redacted out. Just a funny coincidence. Keep denying. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-accused-of-spying-on-nuke-talks-and-passing-the-info-to-us-congress/715865/88 "2015-03-27T02:16:29Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [http://irmep.org/cfp/DoD/071987\_CTAIIANN.pdf](http://irmep.org/cfp/DoD/071987_CTAIIANN.pdf) > > note: ALL sections other than Israel are redacted out. Just a funny coincidence. > > Keep denying. Interesting stuff (if one likes to read about 80s military technology), but pretty much nothing about nuclear weapons. Not sure what’s to deny, unless it’s just claims about President Hussein being out to destroy Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-accused-of-spying-on-nuke-talks-and-passing-the-info-to-us-congress/715865/89 "2015-03-27T18:41:18Z")
There was a Guardian article just a few weeks ago saying that Israeli intelligence agencies have concluded that Iran is NOT vigorously pursuing a nuclear weapons programs. The implication is that Netanyahu’s Claims to the contrary are bald faced lies. Was Netanyahu passing on classified information, or simply a pack of lies that he wanted to spread and Congressional Republicans wanted to hear? I think Israel has more justification spying on Iran than the US, but what are they to do when Iranian and US officials go into the same room? Stop listening? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-accused-of-spying-on-nuke-talks-and-passing-the-info-to-us-congress/715865/90 "2015-03-27T19:39:02Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] There was a **Guardian** article just a few weeks ago saying that Israeli intelligence agencies have concluded that Iran is NOT vigorously pursuing a nuclear weapons programs. The implication is that Netanyahu’s Claims to the contrary are bald faced lies. [/QUOTE] (my emphasis) > [@](#): > > Was Netanyahu passing on classified information, or simply a pack of lies that he wanted to spread and Congressional Republicans wanted to hear? There is, of course, a third option… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-accused-of-spying-on-nuke-talks-and-passing-the-info-to-us-congress/715865/91 "2015-03-28T00:04:31Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [http://irmep.org/cfp/DoD/071987\_CTAIIANN.pdf](http://irmep.org/cfp/DoD/071987_CTAIIANN.pdf) > > note: ALL sections other than Israel are redacted out. Just a funny coincidence. > > Keep denying. Maybe I’m doing it wrong but a text search doesn’t find nuclear or atomic in that pdf. As someone who doesn’t care about Obama, my first instinct would be that the other countries info was redacted because they are NATO allies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-accused-of-spying-on-nuke-talks-and-passing-the-info-to-us-congress/715865.md?page=4)