# Israel and any Future Holocaust **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 13, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035 "2016-01-13T15:16:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/41 "2016-01-14T01:26:54Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > They invented the word. It was invented by the Venetians. Cite: [ > [@Merriam-Webster](#): > > Origin of ghetto > Italian, from Venetian dialect ghèto island where Jews were forced to live, literally, foundry (located on the island), from ghetàr to cast, from Latin jactare to throw — more at jet ]([http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ghetto](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ghetto)) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/42 "2016-01-14T02:15:59Z")
Venitians (sp) spoke Yiddish? Who knew? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/43 "2016-01-14T02:18:59Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > In USA I have no experience of antisemitism after my teenage years. Mrs. Plant (v.2.0) was called a “fucking Jew” by a Caucasian girl in traffic. She was wearing a kippah, with her young daughter in the car, in New Hampshire. ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/44 "2016-01-14T02:24:53Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > “fucking Jew” This isn’t racist or anti-semitic. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/45 "2016-01-14T02:29:46Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Mrs. Plant (v.2.0) was called a “fucking Jew” by a Caucasian girl in traffic. She was wearing a kippah, with her young daughter in the car, in New Hampshire. I am sorry such things still happen. In Russia and Russian forums the question of antisemitism is present much more. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/46 "2016-01-14T02:36:24Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > This isn’t racist or anti-semitic. Shit. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/47 "2016-01-14T02:43:49Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > In Russia and Russian forums the question of antisemitism is present much more. I am surprised. Were not many of the revolutionaries Jewish? ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/48 "2016-01-14T02:46:47Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I am surprised. Were not many of the revolutionaries Jewish? Yes. By 1930 most of them were executed. By 1950, antisemitism returned to Russia but not nearly to the degree it was before the Revolution of 1917. ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/49 "2016-01-14T03:32:58Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Shit. I suppose this counts as an opinion. Jews are not a race of people so nothing against them is “racist.” Semites are the closest one could adopt to qualify them as a distinct race. Unfortunately, anyone who remembers his/her high school history knows that semitic people are not exclusively Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/50 "2016-01-14T03:42:03Z")
Those darn Jews, amirite? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/51 "2016-01-14T03:44:08Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > I suppose this counts as an opinion. Jews are not a race of people so nothing against them is “racist.” Semites are the closest one could adopt to qualify them as a distinct race. Unfortunately, anyone who remembers his/her high school history knows that semitic people are not exclusively Jewish. You toy with words and definitions. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/52 "2016-01-14T03:45:31Z")
Okey, so what’s obvious to you and not to me? ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/53 "2016-01-14T04:13:00Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > I suppose this counts as an opinion. Jews are not a race of people so nothing against them is “racist.” It is nationalist. In USA, nationalism is not as strong as in some other places. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/54 "2016-01-14T04:24:17Z")
Basically, [this.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1FHvsuMzAc) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/55 "2016-01-14T18:09:32Z")
I refer the OP to post #29 and the wiki link. Which wiki article is disputed, but might have some elements of truth. Namely that Israel will attack and destroy western European nations if any of them become sufficiently anti-Jewish (to avoid using any of the terms \*\*the\_diego \*\*seems to insist on misunderstanding). An alternative interpretation is that if Israel believes they are in danger of decisively losing a war with their Arab neighbors and is danger of being overrun, they will attack Europe as a final act. The charitable interpretation of that plan being that Israel intends to thereby incentivize the Europeans to act earlier to prevent Israel being overrun. The uncharitable interpretation is Israel simply intend to ensure they don’t go out alone and to ensure the final body count in the battle of Jews vs. Gentiles across all history comes out with more dead Gentiles than Jews. I personally take no position on whether Operation Samson is real or the product of anti-Israel / anti-Jewish propagandists. Back in my military days I had suggested to my co-workers that maybe the US had done something similar with the various Arab / Islamic states. Namely assuring them that their capitals would be promptly destroyed if an Islamic terrorist nuke went off in the US or on a US base overseas. Again with the intent to motivate them and their clandestine services to keep the threat under control rather than to clandestinely egg it on. Whether my idea was just a then-jingoistic junior officer sowing geo-political oats or was coincidentally an example of the extreme cynicism and anti-civilization that secretly pervades the halls of great power is totally unknown by me. And probably totally unknowable by anyone not in the innermost of inner circles. Sleep tight World. There may well be people thinking this way in charge of countries great and small. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/56 "2016-01-14T20:30:34Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > An alternative interpretation is that if Israel believes they are in danger of decisively losing a war with their Arab neighbors and is danger of being overrun, they will attack Europe as a final act. > > The charitable interpretation of that plan being that Israel intends to thereby incentivize the Europeans to act earlier to prevent Israel being overrun. I don’t believe that would work very well. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/57 "2016-01-15T09:14:05Z")
It’s supposed to be an improvement over the Masada Strategy. Also consider intervening events like the holocaust: Masada - a lot of them died rather than be captured Holocaust - a lot of them were captured and killed Samson - a lot of other people will die with them Not much of in the way of improving things, eh? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/58 "2016-01-15T09:57:28Z")
> [@Jayhawker\_Soule](#): > > From Golda Meir: “We have always said that in our war with the Arabs we had a secret weapon — no alternative.” > > There will never be another Shoah. Perpetrated against _anybody? Anywhere?_ Well I’m certainly on board with that. That _IS_ the policy, right? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/59 "2016-01-15T10:02:37Z")
No one knows exactly what the policy is, but presumably it would be to nuke all the countries that attacked them. Nuking Europe to try to get them to act in Israel’s interest would be the kind of thing the Palestinians do. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2016, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035/60 "2016-01-15T13:24:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Nuking Europe to try to get them to act in Israel’s interest would be the kind of thing the Palestinians do. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-any-future-holocaust/743035.md?page=4)