# Israel, and the USA as of June 21, 2025, strikes dozens of targets in Iran, including nuclear program **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [June 13, 2025, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556 "2025-06-13T01:51:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/1 "2025-06-13T01:51:58Z")
> **[Israel strikes dozens of targets in Iran, including nuclear program: IDF](https://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-military-action-iran-coming-days-sources/story?id=122776202)** > > Israel has launched what it is calling a "preemptive strike" against Iran and declared a state of emergency, according to Defense Minister Israel Katz. > Israel said it has launched a series of strikes against Iran that included dozens of military targets, including the country’s nuclear program, according to the Israel Defense Forces. > > The IDF said the operation, titled “Rising Lion,” comes after intelligence identified that Iran has “significantly advanced towards obtaining a nuclear weapon,” alleging this capability would allow them to act against Israel. As if the world is not dangerous enough and this happens? Why now? Why not a week or month or year ago? Is this as scary as it feels? Cuz it feels scary. Iran will want to retaliate. ETA: I really worry how Trump will want to respond. He loves this kind of chaos. It is nothing but an opportunity for him. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/2 "2025-06-13T02:26:12Z")
Israel and Iran have been at war for decades. This doesn’t change anything. Aside from, as Israel says, possibly setting back Iran’s nuclear program, which is a net win. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/3 "2025-06-13T02:27:44Z")
'Zactly. This has nothing to do with US domestic politics, and zero impact on it.. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/4 "2025-06-13T02:28:39Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > This doesn’t change anything. Their “war” was low level and fought with proxies. They never went head-to-head. This is head-to-head. Iran almost certainly has to retaliate. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/5 "2025-06-13T02:29:34Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > 'Zactly. This has nothing to do with US domestic politics, and zero impact on it.. Huh? Maybe you think you are in a different thread? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/6 "2025-06-13T02:33:50Z")
Nope. IMO you’re wildly overreacting to a routine skirmish. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/7 "2025-06-13T02:34:51Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Nope. IMO you’re wildly overreacting to a routine skirmish. What does domestic politics have to do with this? > [@LSLGuy](#): > > This has nothing to do with US domestic politics, and zero impact on it.. And what is “routine” about Israel bombing Iran? (and not the least their nuclear program) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/8 "2025-06-13T02:37:26Z")
You were the one bringing up how trump will react, not me. That’s domestic politics. He sure as hell doesn’t care about international relations. _Everything_ he does is about playing to his base here. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/9 "2025-06-13T02:38:08Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > You were the one bringing up how trump will react, not me. That’s domestic politics. He sure as hell doesn’t care about international relations. Err…you think the president of the US has no role in international politics? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/10 "2025-06-13T02:38:40Z")
A _good_ President has a huge role. A child playing dictator while wearing the mantle of President has no such interests. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/11 "2025-06-13T02:40:25Z")
Seems like Israel really weakened Iran over the previous year, such as taking out Hezbollah (and their missiles), Hamas, the pager attack, and a bunch of Republican Guard leaders. I think the International Atomic Energy Agency just released a report condemning Iran’s conduct in regard to their nuclear program and I think the recent negotiations went badly. That’s why I think the time is now. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/12 "2025-06-13T02:40:45Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > A _good_ President has a huge role. A child playing dictator while wearing the mantle of President has no such interests. What are you even on about? I said: > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > ETA: I really worry how Trump will want to respond. He loves this kind of chaos. It is nothing but an opportunity for him. What is “domestic” about that? Buffoon though Trump may be he is still the president and has a role to play in this. Not least that he is Commander-in-Chief of our whole military. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/13 "2025-06-13T05:22:06Z")
Interesting to see that thus far the US has noped out of the conflict. That makes me wonder what the thinking was in Israel. Probably along the lines of “Trump wants to make a deal with Iran? Like his trade deals that don’t actually exist?” Instead of waiting two weeks for Trump to announce he singlehandedly solved the conflict while actually doing nothing, Israel decided to just go ahead and strike now. Is there any good info on why now in particular? I am getting a hint of “Wag the Dog” from this but that could be just my disdain for Netanyahu talking. Seems like Iran has been one day away from getting The Bomb for the past twenty years or so. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/14 "2025-06-13T05:35:21Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Buffoon though Trump may be he is still the president and has a role to play in this I don’t think he cares about any of it anymore. Remember, he promised to end the wars in Gaza and Ukraine and make a deal with Iran as soon as he took office. It was going to be easy! He was going to win the Nobel Peace Prize! Now Netanyahu and Putin aren’t paying any attention to him and Iran isn’t interested in talking either. He can never admit he failed so he will just wash his hands of it all and pretend none of that matters in his goal to MAGA. I hope Little Marco is sleeping well. ---
**Author:** ![DETXL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/detxl/32/19366_2.png) [@DETXL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DETXL)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/15 "2025-06-13T07:14:22Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > Is there any good info on why now in particular? I am getting a hint of “Wag the Dog” from this but that could be just my disdain for Netanyahu talking. Seems like Iran has been one day away from getting The Bomb for the past twenty years or so. _Directly_, after they were found not to be in compliance by the UN, Iran [announced yesterday](https://www.npr.org/2025/06/12/nx-s1-5431395/iran-nuclear-enrichment-un-compliance) that they were going to begin enriching uranium again, and raw materials are the limiting factor to nuclear weapons production. So “now” at least makes sense as a response to those two linked developments. _Indirectly_, the few years—in particular after the collapse of the previous nuclear deal—Israeli-Arab relations have been marked by the countries of the [GCC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Cooperation_Council) being fairly open about their belief that, between Israel and Iran, Iran is the significantly greater threat. That has obviously been strained by the ongoing war in Gaza, but you can see in Netanyahu’s claim that “[in defending ourselves, we also defend others. We defend our Arab neighbors](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/never-again-is-now-netanyahu-announces-strikes-on-iran-nuclear-targets/ar-AA1GCidI)” that, yes, I would imagine he sees it as an opportunity to remind some of those neighbors why they were previously normalizing relations. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/16 "2025-06-13T07:23:29Z")
200 Israeli fighter jets involved. > **[Israel strikes Iran nuclear sites and military leadership as Middle East...](https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-strikes-news-06-12-25-hnk-intl#cmbudg1og001p3b6o0kgr3p8a)** > > Israel has launched unprecedented attack on Iran, targeting the heart of nation’s nuclear program and senior military leaders. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/17 "2025-06-13T07:45:37Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Their “war” was low level and fought with proxies. They never went head-to-head. Keep up, will you? That was the case until April 13 2024, when Iran launched hundreds of munitions from its soil to Israel’s. After that, all bets were off. > **[April 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2024_Iranian_strikes_against_Israel)** > > Per Iran: > Per US ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/18 "2025-06-13T08:24:09Z")
Iran launched 100 drones towards Israel, but they’ve all been intercepted according to Israeli media. > **[Israel targets Iran's nuclear sites and military commanders in major attack -...](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93ydeqyq71t?post=asset%3A6a7a5a50-ceb0-4b13-8d16-fecea7b3377b#post)** > > The IDF says Iran has launched about 100 drones towards its territory and says it killed Revolutionary Guards commander Hossein Salami in overnight strikes. Is there likely to be more retaliation from Iran? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/19 "2025-06-13T08:47:09Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Keep up, will you? …from your link: > [@](#): > > On 1 April 2024, [Israel bombed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Iranian_embassy_in_Damascus) the Iranian consulate annex building next to the Iranian embassy in [Damascus, Syria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus,_Syria), killing 16 people, including a woman and her son, and Brigadier General [Mohammad Reza Zahedi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Zahedi), a senior [Quds Force](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quds_Force) commander of the [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Revolutionary_Guard_Corps) (IRGC), and seven other IRGC officers, in addition to six other militants belonging to Hezbollah and other Iran-linked militias. So it didn’t _start_ with Iran launching hundreds of munitions from its soil to Israel’s on April 13. It started with an attack on the Iranian consulate annex building on April 1st. It’s right there in your cite. Also from your link: > [@](#): > > , the primary targets included the [Nevatim Airbase](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevatim_Airbase) from which Israel launched the attack on the Iranian consulate, as well as the intelligence center in the Israeli-occupied part of [Mount Hermon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Hermon) that supplied the intelligence. The operation was limited to a retaliatory attack for the Israeli attack on the Iranian consulate. It was a limited response from Iran targeting military targets. You can argue whether or not the attack on the Iranian consulate annex building was justified or not. But it’s clear that this is what prompted the Iranian response. It didn’t come out of nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/20 "2025-06-13T08:53:53Z")
I’m not saying it came out of nowhere. I said that it was the first time that the two countries went head to head - with attacks from one country’s soil onto the other country’s soil. That on April 13 2024 it stopped being a proxy war and became a direct conflict. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556.md?page=2)