# Israel, and the USA as of June 21, 2025, strikes dozens of targets in Iran, including nuclear program **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [June 13, 2025, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556 "2025-06-13T01:51:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/341 "2025-06-22T00:42:17Z")
Trump says we dropped bombs? Okay, probably. At the very least, he’s in a position to know. Trump says the bombing was successful? Typical Trump bluster. Could be true or could be a total lie. He would claim success no matter what actually happened. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/342 "2025-06-22T00:44:54Z")
BBC seems to be confirming Fordo is no more. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/343 "2025-06-22T00:45:04Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Trump says the bombing was successful? Typical Trump bluster. Could be true or could be a total lie. He would claim success no matter what actually happened. True but Iran’s air defenses have been pretty smashed by Israel already and the B2s (assuming the attack was with B2s) are made to evade enemy air defenses. I think they would get the job done. Trump sucks but I still believe the people flying the planes in our military are very good at their job and quite competent. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/344 "2025-06-22T00:47:51Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > BBC seems to be confirming Fordo is no more. I will say I am not keen we are in another shooting war but I am glad that place is gone (assuming it is gone). ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/345 "2025-06-22T00:49:14Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > It’s been 19 hours since those B2s took off. Their route is over 16,500 miles. The B2 is subsonic. I’m not sure it’s possible for Trump’s twuth to be accurate. They’re probably on the way to reinforce the bombers who did the strike. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/346 "2025-06-22T00:50:54Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > BBC seems to be confirming Fordo is no more. Even a broken clock can destroy a fortified nuclear base twice a day. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/347 "2025-06-22T00:53:43Z")
All Trump had to do was give the order, we clearly have the ability to do this. Iran’s only response will probably have to be terrorism, this is going to get scary. Iran’s air defense won’t be able to stop our air force, but ships in the area are in danger. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/348 "2025-06-22T00:55:39Z")
Trump has announced air strikes on three nuclear sites in Iran. He is expected to lie to the nation about this at 10PM EDT. ---
**Author:** ![rippingtons\_fan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rippingtons_fan/32/11767_2.png) [@rippingtons\_fan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rippingtons_fan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/349 "2025-06-22T00:56:38Z")
Trump can kiss his Nobel Peace Prize hopes goodbye!!! ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/350 "2025-06-22T00:57:01Z")
This will spawn terrorist networks that will make Al Qaeda look like a boy scout troop. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/351 "2025-06-22T00:57:38Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Iran’s only response will probably have to be terrorism, this is going to get scary. Iran’s capacity for terror has been greatly diminished over the last week. With the overwhelming firepower of the American Air Force joining in, I expect that launching missiles without being blown up is about to get _much_ harder for the IRGC. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/352 "2025-06-22T00:57:53Z")
How would the BBC know this quickly whether it was actually destroyed? Satellite pictures may not be able to tell us what’s happening deep underground. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/353 "2025-06-22T00:58:30Z")
By terror, I mean terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/354 "2025-06-22T00:58:44Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > BBC seems to be confirming Fordo is no more. Link? All I’m finding is just endless repetitions of the “Trump says”. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/355 "2025-06-22T00:58:48Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > This will spawn terrorist networks that will make Al Qaeda look like a boy scout troop. Luckily, the chief sponsor of terrorism in the region is having a pretty rough day. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/356 "2025-06-22T00:59:15Z")
No idea, but do you actually doubt the USAF can do this? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/357 "2025-06-22T01:00:27Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > By terror, I mean terrorists. Those have been greatly diminished over the last few _months_, then. Which part of the “Axis of Resistance” hasn’t had its head kicked in yet? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/358 "2025-06-22T01:01:09Z")
Can they do it? Definitely. Can they do it with non-nuclear weapons? Probably. Can they do it with a single non-nuclear bomb? Unknown. Can they confirm, quickly, that they’ve done it with a single non-nuclear bomb? Probably not. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/359 "2025-06-22T01:02:11Z")
This is the best I can find: > **[US bombs Fordo and other nuclear sites in Iran, Trump says - follow live](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/ckg3rzj8emjt?post=asset%3A6b5e643b-d5db-4900-a789-ef282cd659db#post)** > > President Trump calls attack "very successful", as Washington joins Israel's air campaign against Iran. Tehran had warned the US that any involvement would lead to retaliation. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2025, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/360 "2025-06-22T01:02:16Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > This will spawn terrorist networks that will make Al Qaeda look like a boy scout troop. I read an article (which I cannot find now…I tried…sorry) that said Israel has done a thorough job at dismantling Iran’s proxy terror network. Hamas, Hezbollah and (I am forgetting one I think) are pale shadows of what they were. That’s not to say they cannot still cause trouble. It can sometimes be only one person. But Iran’s ability to project power via their terror network is very diminished. If ever there was a times to use them it would be now but beyond a few ineffective missile launches they are doing nothing. The scary part is if Iran managed to make a few “small” nukes and smuggle them out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556.md?page=19)