# Israel, and the USA as of June 21, 2025, strikes dozens of targets in Iran, including nuclear program **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [June 13, 2025, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556 "2025-06-13T01:51:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/541 "2025-06-23T20:32:14Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > That’s the big question. So far no saber rattling from him on this He posted a Tweet a bit ago thanking Iran for the heads up, emphasizing how harmless the attack was, and expressing hope that now that Iran got this “out of their system” they’ll come back to the table. Hebrew news is reporting signaling from other sources in the US and in Israel that if Iran is ready for a new deal with no enrichment, one can be signed. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/542 "2025-06-23T20:39:41Z")
Yep [https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-launches-missiles-drones-israel-083917263.html](https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-launches-missiles-drones-israel-083917263.html) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/543 "2025-06-23T20:39:52Z")
\<\< deleted by poster…not in line with breaking news…I forgot where I was \>\> ---
**Author:** ![Ferris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ferris/32/11573_2.png) [@Ferris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferris)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/544 "2025-06-23T21:46:20Z")
Isn’t the worry here that Iran is simply playing for time? While there’s no definitive answer to how far back their nuclear programme has been set, surely Israel won’t be content to pause their efforts? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/545 "2025-06-23T21:51:07Z")
Great point and worth discussion but not here since this is a “breaking news” thread (something I have forgotten here more than once). Try this thread for that question: [The 2025 Israel vs Iran and geopolitical implications thread - #142 by Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2025-israel-vs-iran-and-geopolitical-implications-thread/1019829/142) ETA: Did I just junior mod? 🤦‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/546 "2025-06-23T21:51:08Z")
> [@Ferris](#): > > While there’s no definitive answer to how far back their nuclear programme has been set, surely Israel won’t be content to pause their efforts? I commented on this in the other thread, in Politics & Elections. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/547 "2025-06-23T22:15:15Z")
Trump announces a ceasefire. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/548 "2025-06-23T22:20:51Z")
Does that include Israel too or is he saying the US will not bomb Iran anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/549 "2025-06-23T22:32:47Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Does that include Israel too or is he saying the US will not bomb Iran anymore?. He says Iran will stop all attacks in 12 hours, Israel 12 hours after that, and then peace 24 hours later. We shall see. No mention of the US so presumably no more strikes are planned. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/550 "2025-06-23T22:47:03Z")
Any negotiations now should include an accounting of all the nuclear material and for Iran to stop their proxies from launching rockets; otherwise, I fear we will see this again in a few years. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/551 "2025-06-23T23:00:49Z")
Iran tells Reuters, ceasefire is real. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/552 "2025-06-23T23:08:01Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > He says Iran will stop all attacks in 12 hours, Israel 12 hours after that, and then peace 24 hours later. We shall see. > > No mention of the US so presumably no more strikes are planned. Yours is one reasonable interpretation of [Trump’s Truth Social post](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114734934153569653), but others are possible: To me, Trump’s post is inconsistent regarding the supposed cease fire timing.. While normally I do not put much credence in Iranian government statements, this, published on [CNN.com](http://CNN.com), at almost exactly the same time as Trump’s post, seems plausible: [Iran has not received any ceasefire proposal, senior official says](https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-us-strikes-06-23-25-intl-hnk#cmc9lse6g001a3b6nr1gx8whn) EDITED: Looks like I spoke too soon – Trump did not make it all up: [A senior Iranian official confirmed in a conversation with Reuters that Tehran has agreed to a U.S. proposal for a ceasefire with Israel mediated by Qatar.](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/ipe0hto0u) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/553 "2025-06-23T23:39:05Z")
Interesting to note that Qatar was not amused when the base the US has there (the one that was attacked by Iran) also has Qatari military planes and equipment. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/554 "2025-06-24T00:39:15Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > He says Iran will stop all attacks in 12 hours, Israel 12 hours after that Who the hell would agree to stop attacking and let the other side take free shots at you for twelve hours? This is idiotic even by Trump stanards. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/555 "2025-06-24T01:13:24Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Who the hell would agree to stop attacking and let the other side take free shots at you for twelve hours? Trump’s Truth Social post first says that the cease fire is effective in six hours for both sides. Then it says that Israel gets extra time to bomb. As with the creation stories in Genesis 1 and 2, there is no way to reconcile these logically, unless you are a true believer. But politically, I guess it works. Going forward, Trump can say he got Israel extra time, or didn’t, whatever works for his audience.. As for what Israel and Iran agreed to, I’m not sure they agreed to anything. But maybe they were close to agreement. Trump’s a lucky guy, and may get away with what he is pulling here. ---
**Author:** ![Tripler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripler/32/21807_2.png) [@Tripler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tripler)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/556 "2025-06-24T01:27:31Z")
I have five minutes to pop into a thread this week, and this is the one I’d been looking for all day. This wasn’t a bombing to stop Iran’s “nuclear weapons program.” This was a capability demonstration **to the rest of the world** : "_Look what we can still do, thirty-four years later . . . after Desert Storm. I didn’t just send one bomber, I sent **seven** and stopped a ‘program’. Russia, China, take notice, and you better play nice with us . . ._’ The pretext of Iran’s nuke program was just that . . _a pretext_. Tripler I’ve got echoes of 2003 in my head now. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/557 "2025-06-24T01:48:49Z")
> [@Tripler](#): > > This wasn’t a bombing to stop Iran’s “nuclear weapons program.” This was a capability demonstration **to the rest of the world** You know, that’s an interesting point. Look what we can do, and where we can do it from. Of course, the US just deployed 14 of its arsenal of 20 BABs. (Big-Ass Bomb) ---
**Author:** ![vbob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vbob/32/4439_2.png) [@vbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vbob)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/558 "2025-06-24T02:03:43Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > You know, that’s an interesting point. Look what we can do, and where we can do it from. > > Of course, the US just deployed 14 of its arsenal of 20 BABs. Which were, we must suppose, 100% Made in America, of 100% USA-sourced materials and components. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/559 "2025-06-24T02:13:53Z")
> [@vbob](#): > > Which were, we must suppose, 100% Made in America, of 100% USA-sourced materials and components. Well, made by Boeing, presumably in America. Don’t know about the components. If they were imported, good thing it was done before the tariffs hit. Would have made the bomb far more expensive. Apologies if this has already been linked. > **[GBU-57A/B MOP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-57A/B_MOP)** > > The GBU-57 series MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator) is a 30,000-pound (14,000 kg) class, 20.5-foot-long (6.2 m) precision-guided munition "bunker buster" bomb developed by Boeing for the United States Air Force (USAF). Composed of a BLU-127 bomb body and an integrated GPS/INS guidance package, there are seven GBU-57 variants. Due to its size and weight, the Northrop B-2 Spirit strategic bomber is the only US aircraft in-service that can carry the GBU-57 MOP, although initial weapons t The firs... ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/560 "2025-06-24T02:29:26Z")
AP is reporting Iran has launched a new barrage of missiles into Israel. World’s shortest ceasefire. > **[The Associated Press (@apnews.com)](https://bsky.app/profile/apnews.com/post/3lscztfth6t23)** > > BREAKING: Israel's military warned its public that Iran launched missiles towards it, even as a proposed ceasefire hung in the air. Alerts began going off on mobile phones in Israel about the barrage. > https://bit.ly/4kY5Krt [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556.md?page=29)