# Israel, and the USA as of June 21, 2025, strikes dozens of targets in Iran, including nuclear program **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [June 13, 2025, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556 "2025-06-13T01:51:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/561 "2025-06-24T02:32:25Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > AP is reporting Iran has launched a new barrage of missiles into Israel. Handful of launches, all shot down. Sounds like maybe 3. But actually, the ceasefire isn’t meant to go into effect for another hour (?). ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/562 "2025-06-24T02:35:46Z")
Israel’s cabinet just wrapped up a meeting to discuss the ceasefire, they haven’t announced their response yet though. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/563 "2025-06-24T02:39:43Z")
> [@Tripler](#): > > "\*Look what we can still do, thirty-four years later . . . after Desert Storm. I didn’t just send one bomber, I sent **seven** and stopped a ‘program’. And on top of that, as you alluded to, the B-2 is pretty old stuff. It was designed in the 1980s. The message that’s being sent to every bad actor in the world right now is, “If the crusty geezer B-2 could do _that_, then what do you think the new Northrop B-21 Raider, which hasn’t even entered service yet, is going to be able to do?” ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/564 "2025-06-24T02:40:31Z")
[Iran foreign minister: no final ceasefire agreement; if Israel stops, we’ll stop](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/iranian-foreign-minister-says-no-final-ceasefire-agreement/) > [@](#): > > “As of now, there is NO ‘agreement’ on any ceasefire or cessation of military operations,” Araghchi writes. “However, provided that the Israeli regime stops its illegal aggression against the Iranian people no later than 4 am Tehran time, we have no intention to continue our response afterwards.” [Trump’s Cease-Fire Announcement Catches His Own Top Officials by Surprise](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/23/world/middleeast/trump-ceasefire-israel-iran.html?unlocked_article_code=1.RU8.jaTo.SH8xn4JsbgfN&smid=url-share) This does not sounds like what happens when a ceasefire is agreed to: [Israel yet to confirm Iran ceasefire, Netanyahu asks ministers to avoid comment](https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-858749) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/565 "2025-06-24T02:41:40Z")
Another barrage just launched ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/566 "2025-06-24T02:44:01Z")
\<\< Deleted by poster…I keep forgetting which thread I am in…my fault \>\> ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/567 "2025-06-24T02:45:04Z")
Moderating: > [@Velocity](#): > > And on top of that, as you alluded to, the B-2 is pretty old stuff. It was designed in the 1980s. The message that’s being sent to every bad actor in the world right now is, “If the crusty geezer B-2 could do _that_, then what do you think the new Northrop B-21 Raider, which hasn’t even entered service yet, is going to be able to do?” **BREAKING. NEWS. THREAD. Take speculative discussion elsewhere.** ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/568 "2025-06-24T02:48:11Z")
One report of a missile strike somewhere in the south. Search and rescue teams are dispatched, but no injuries reported yet. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/569 "2025-06-24T02:56:50Z")
Direct hit from a ballistic missile on a seven story residential building. Heavy property damage, no reports of any injuries, amazingly enough. All other missiles seem to have been shot down. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/570 "2025-06-24T03:05:50Z")
Update: two serious injuries, a handful of light. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/571 "2025-06-24T03:09:00Z")
Iranian state news: _we have imposed a ceasefire on the Zionist Enemy after the success of Operation Herald of Victory_ (their name for the strike on the US base). Sounds like they might be declaring victory to explain to their population the cessation of hostilities. This may have been the last barrage, for now. Eta: just kidding! They have fired another barrage. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/572 "2025-06-24T03:33:33Z")
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog\_entry/3-killed-in-beersheba-missile-strike/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/3-killed-in-beersheba-missile-strike/) Three dead in the latest bombing in Beersheba. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/573 "2025-06-24T03:39:49Z")
Damn… They were still being treated when I stepped away from the news. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/574 "2025-06-24T04:18:23Z")
Iran is continuing to launch a trickle of missiles. I think it’s fair to say, the ceasefire seems to be off. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/575 "2025-06-24T10:16:02Z")
Was it ever actually in effect? Other than in Trump’s imagination? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/576 "2025-06-24T10:56:47Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > AP is reporting Iran has launched a new barrage of missiles into Israel. > > World’s shortest ceasefire. Quite fitting that the “12-day-war” was folllowed by a “12-hour truce”. I guess we’re now in “12-day-war-II”? ---
**Author:** ![DETXL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/detxl/32/19366_2.png) [@DETXL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DETXL)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/577 "2025-06-24T11:10:39Z")
I believe most of the news filtering in is still about the handful of missiles Iran launched either shortly before or shortly (i.e. minutes) after the ceasefire was meant to go into effect. Israel has pledged to respond by striking IRGC targets, possibly with US approval, but if Iran accepts those strikes as a tit-for-tat and there are no further exchanges after that it’s possible that a ceasefire might still hold. (It’s also possible Iran was being insincere from the getgo; a number of drones were also intercepted overnight. But as @Babale has noted, there are good reasons for both parties to want even a temporary pause.) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/578 "2025-06-24T11:28:55Z")
> [@DETXL](#): > > I believe most of the news filtering in is still about the handful of missiles Iran launched either shortly before or shortly (i.e. minutes) after the ceasefire was meant to go into effect. Israel has pledged to respond by striking IRGC targets, possibly with US approval, but if Iran accepts those strikes as a tit-for-tat and there are no further exchanges after that it’s possible that a ceasefire might still hold. There was an attack about half an hour before the ceasefire came into effect that killed 4 people in an apartment building in Beersheba, but that’s not what this is about - there was also a missile launched at 10:30 local time, three and a half hours after the ceasefire was supposed to have come into effect, which was intercepted before it reached Israel. That’s the violation Israel retaliated for. As for what happened now, we’ll see. Despite the fact that in rankles terribly that they can kill four of our people and get away with it, Israel, in general, wants a ceasefire. The country needs a full night’s sleep. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/579 "2025-06-24T11:29:28Z")
Trump drops an F-bomb on live TV as his ceasefire falls apart. > “You basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don’t know what the f— they’re doing. Do you understand that?” he told reporters Tuesday morning on his way to the NATO summit in The Hague . > **[Trump Explodes as His Ceasefire Unravels: ‘They Don’t Know What the F\*\*\*...](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-explodes-as-his-ceasefire-unravels-they-dont-know-what-the-f-theyre-doing/)** > > The president accused both Iran and Israel of violating his ceasefire deal. ---
**Author:** ![DETXL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/detxl/32/19366_2.png) [@DETXL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DETXL)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556/580 "2025-06-24T12:01:16Z")
Ah—got it. Sorry, I’d seen there were alerts for the launches in the north ~17 minutes after midnight Eastern but not anything after that. But, right, agreed to your main point. Probably chief among them besides maybe first responders the IDF? The Air Force has always had an impressive ability to surge operations, but I don’t think they’ve conducted sorties at this tempo ([over a thousand in eight days](https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1936394722731229432)) since at least 2006, and that did not involve multiple 1,000-km missions. None of that is sustainable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-and-the-usa-as-of-june-21-2025-strikes-dozens-of-targets-in-iran-including-nuclear-program/1019556.md?page=30)