# Israel can't sit on the U.N. Security Council? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 19, 2008, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-cant-sit-on-the-u-n-security-council/441981 "2008-03-19T19:54:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-cant-sit-on-the-u-n-security-council/441981/21 "2008-03-20T00:55:36Z")
[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman] When did Britain declare her independance? The Republic of China was a founding member of the UN. [/QUOTE] I don’t know about Britain, but it certainly didn’t run into the problem that the ROC did: > [@](#): > > As a result of these trends, on October 25, 1971, Resolution 2758 was passed by the General Assembly, withdrawing recognition of the ROC as the legitimate government of China, and recognising the PRC as the sole legitimate government of China. PRC received support from two-thirds of all United Nations’ members including approval by the Security Council members excluding the ROC. > > The General Assembly Resolution declared “that the representatives of the Government of the People’s Republic of China are the only lawful representatives of China to the United Nations.” Because this resolution was on an issue of credentials rather than one of membership, it was possible to bypass the Security Council where the United States and the ROC could have used their vetoes. Thus, the government of the Republic of China was expelled from UN. However, the ROC was asked if it wanted to remain in the United Nations as a separate country, but not as the lawful representative of the Chinese people. The ROC President Chiang Kai-shek refused the invitation, saying he would not allow the ROC to be a member of the UN if the PRC was allowed in. > **[China and the United Nations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_the_United_Nations)** > > The People's Republic of China is one of the members of the United Nations and is one of five permanent members of its Security Council. The Republic of China was one of the victorious Allies of World War II (the Chinese theatre of which was the Second Sino-Japanese War), they joined the UN as one of its founding member countries in 1945. The subsequent resumption of the Chinese Civil War between the government of Republic of China and the rebel forces of the Chinese Communist Party, led to t... Although I gather from the same article that even if Taiwan declared independence, it still would not likely get admitted to the UN. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-cant-sit-on-the-u-n-security-council/441981/22 "2008-03-20T01:48:24Z")
[QUOTE=Malthus] The “joke”, such that it is, is that Israel would then be acting exactly as some lacking in historical nuance claim Zionists behaved in forming the state of Israel itself - simply marching in and seizing a seat, as Zionists marched in and seized the land of Israel. [/QUOTE] Not only that, but attempts to dislodge them (i.e. military attacks from the surrounding states) have only increased Israel’s territory, at least in the short term. Anyone who tries to bounce the Israeli ambassador better watch out. Hey, _I_ thought it was funny. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-cant-sit-on-the-u-n-security-council/441981/23 "2008-04-03T08:02:03Z")
If the European block tries to elect Israel to the UNSC, many countries would object, you could have the UN split. All in all let sleeping dogs lie. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-cant-sit-on-the-u-n-security-council/441981/24 "2008-04-03T20:04:30Z")
[QUOTE=Terrifel] In a stirring display of solidarity, fellow WEOG member Germany offers to seal the chamber doors. [/QUOTE] You bad, bad man. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-cant-sit-on-the-u-n-security-council/441981.md?page=1)