# Israel offered nukes to SA **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 24, 2010, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-offered-nukes-to-sa/540547 "2010-05-24T07:56:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-offered-nukes-to-sa/540547/81 "2010-05-25T21:01:25Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > :rolleyes: No, seriously, try it. You’ll find that it means the exact opposite of “justified”. > [@MrDibble](#): > > so the only reason to bring up context is to justify why someone would commit such an act. Why oh why are you justifying methheads killing toddlers!?!? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-offered-nukes-to-sa/540547/82 "2010-05-25T21:04:42Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > :Nice analogy, but Israel wasn’t the cops in that scenario, they were the knifeman. You’re justifying why he cut the throat, not why the cops did whatever. Um - in his analogy, Israel = the knife wielding methhead. That was his intent. You are talking past him. He’s claiming that he’s explaining, not justifying, and you still don’t see it, even when he deliberately compares Israel to a knife-wielding maniac - you are still thinking he’s claiming Israel is the cops. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-offered-nukes-to-sa/540547/83 "2010-05-25T21:07:51Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > and you still don’t see it, even when he deliberately compares Israel to a knife-wielding maniac - you are still thinking he’s claiming Israel is the cops. Yep. Funny, aint it? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-offered-nukes-to-sa/540547/84 "2010-05-25T22:05:08Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Or your reputation as \*just \*a dittohead apologist isn’t going to go away, deserved or not. It certainly will not “go away” while you continue to make attacks on the manner of his posting the focus of this thread. Let it go. Stick to the topic. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2010, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-offered-nukes-to-sa/540547/85 "2010-05-26T04:48:15Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **Damuri Ajashi** , that’s more than enough personal commentary about **FinnAgain**. This is a formal warning: when you’re posting in Great Debates, attack the post, not the poster. That hardly seems fair. I have seen these sort of posts in Great debates all the time. I can probably point you to 10 instances where there was a moderater present (because they were posting on the thread) but didn’t issue a warning. In fact there was recently a thread about statutory rape where it seemed to be open season on the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2010, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-offered-nukes-to-sa/540547/86 "2010-05-26T04:58:26Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > In fact there was recently a thread about statutory rape where it seemed to be open season on the OP. If you’re talking about the ‘ignorance of age’ thread, I had to go in there a couple of times to tell people to stop making personal comments (posts 340 and 508). That thread was on page seven by the time I got involved, so a lot of that crap had already taken place. I’d rather cut it off early in this thread instead of having to deal with a bigger problem a few pages later. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2010, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-offered-nukes-to-sa/540547/87 "2010-05-26T07:46:03Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Why was Israel trying to make nice with SA anyway? I mean, what did SA have to offer them? Serious question. South Africa was under boycott at the time due to the apartied policy. In practical matters , spare parts had to be bought on the open market for among other things, their airforce. They operated the Mirage family of fighter bombers as the primary strikers and Israel , due to aquiring the plans for the mirage on the sly had no problems selling them spare parts, sub rosa. During the colaboration, both the next generation Israeli indigenus fighter (read clone of the Mirage) the Kfir, and the South African model (the Cheetah) came out at the same time. A number of other joint projects also were in development, both Dr Gerald Bull, where have we heard that name from before, in the G5 mobile artillery system and a number of other projects that have feet in both countries. Regarding the nukes, it was always assumed that South Africa already had them. But its possible that what they wanted was a IRBM like the Pershing or the Jericho as the Israelis call it, if Israel was going to transfer actual warheads, it would have been with the complicity of the US. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2010, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-offered-nukes-to-sa/540547/88 "2010-05-26T15:47:24Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > If you’re talking about the ‘ignorance of age’ thread, I had to go in there a couple of times to tell people to stop making personal comments (posts 340 and 508). That thread was on page seven by the time I got involved, so a lot of that crap had already taken place. I’d rather cut it off early in this thread instead of having to deal with a bigger problem a few pages later. OK, Finn Again’s tone and tactics gets under my skin, I shouldn’t let it get under my skin but in the future, if it does, I will take it to the pit. ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2010, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-offered-nukes-to-sa/540547/89 "2010-05-31T14:54:14Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “We”? You may not think so, but I don’t believe for a moment that Iran or any other nation is going to hand over nukes to terrorists. Governments don’t do that. > > And no, they aren’t stupid enough to hand terrorists nukes to use on Israel or us and expect plausible deniability to save them. They know quite well that it wouldn’t matter, we and/or the Israelis would kill them all plausible deniability or not. Sorry mate, I’ve got a lot of time for you but you’re totally clueless. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-offered-nukes-to-sa/540547.md?page=4)