# Israel/Palestinians: Your Take **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 22, 2016, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840 "2016-03-22T07:26:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/621 "2016-10-09T01:09:00Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Is there a particular reason you insist on referring to “jews” instead of “Jews”?. He also refers to [“the holocaust”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19672577&postcount=12). But why fuss over capitalization. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/622 "2016-10-09T02:43:54Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > The partition was based on where populations where, not how much land was owned. Most of what Israel got offered in the partition, which they accepted, and the Muslims didn’t, was Negev desert. The Muslims turned down the partition, and sought to expand on the Holocaust. They lost. The Holocaust? Really? That is what the muslims were trying to do?:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/623 "2016-10-09T04:03:37Z")
He said “expand on the Holocaust.” Any killing of large numbers of Jews could be said to be an “expansion” on the Holocaust. If the combined Arab forces had won in 1948, 1956, 1967, or 1973, it is hard to believe they would not have killed many Jews (and non-Jewish Israeli citizens, mores the irony.) They would have begun an ethnic cleansing campaign the Serbians could only dream of. It is entirely valid to refer to such activity as an “expansion” on the Holocaust. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/624 "2017-02-13T18:38:54Z")
read and weep, Israel-haters (communists, Islamists, neo-Nazis): Israel once again leads Palestinians in popularity in America by \> 3:1 [http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/gseaq6schemlswrzntmw7q.png](http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/gseaq6schemlswrzntmw7q.png) and here’s to making the relationship between Israel and America GREAT AGAIN! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/625 "2017-02-13T20:15:39Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > read and weep, Israel-haters (communists, Islamists, neo-Nazis): Israel once again leads Palestinians in popularity in America by \> 3:1 [http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/gseaq6schemlswrzntmw7q.png](http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/gseaq6schemlswrzntmw7q.png) > > and here’s to making the relationship between Israel and America GREAT AGAIN! What in the ever loving fuck are you even talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/626 "2017-02-13T20:22:43Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > read and weep, Israel-haters (communists, Islamists, neo-Nazis): Israel once again leads Palestinians in popularity in America by \> 3:1 [http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/gseaq6schemlswrzntmw7q.png](http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/gseaq6schemlswrzntmw7q.png) > > and here’s to making the relationship between Israel and America GREAT AGAIN! [In 1961-64](http://www.crmvet.org/docs/60s_crm_public-opinion.pdf), 61% of Americans disapproved of the Freedom Riders. “Popular” sure doesn’t mean “right”! And if you think neo-Nazis are fans of Arab Muslims, you are sadly misinformed. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/627 "2017-02-13T20:23:05Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > read and weep, Israel-haters (communists, Islamists, neo-Nazis): Israel once again leads Palestinians in popularity in America by \> 3:1 [http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/gseaq6schemlswrzntmw7q.png](http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/gseaq6schemlswrzntmw7q.png) > > and here’s to making the relationship between Israel and America GREAT AGAIN! So nothing has changed and you’re offering no new information relating to this topic? ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/628 "2017-02-13T20:26:23Z")
To the OP’s reasons for supporting Israel I’d add this one: Their schools don’t teach small children to see their opponents as less than human using propaganda and caricatures that Julius Streicher, the Nazi editor of Der Sturmer, would have approved of and applauded. That’s just what happens in Palestinian schools and those of other Arab countries. The West should cut off aid not just to Palestine but to any country which brainwashes children by these revolting methods. Israel could be a light to the whole Middle East if only the Arabs would stop trying to kill Jews, forcing Israel to take tough measures to protect themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/629 "2017-02-13T22:38:58Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > read and weep, Israel-haters (communists, Islamists, neo-Nazis) Hah! I laughed. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/630 "2017-02-13T23:52:47Z")
I must say, I am rather surprised that this thread was bumped because of some poll rather than the legislation just passed in the Knesset retroactively legalizing a bunch of settlements. [Israel passes controversial law on West Bank settlements](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38888649) ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2017, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/631 "2017-02-14T00:39:36Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > And if you think neo-Nazis are fans of Arab Muslims, you are sadly misinformed. politics makes strange bedfellows: > **[Neo-Nazi website: Hamas member will speak at armed march in Montana to harass...](https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Neo-Nazi-website-Hamas-member-will-speak-at-armed-march-in-Montana-to-harass-Jewish-community-477629)** > > “And they will rue the day, as they see two hundred skinhead Alt-Right Nazis marching with a guy from Hamas carrying machine guns through the center of their town!” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/p2QMQi-m63E/hqdefault.jpg "Wolf Blitzer versus David Duke") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2QMQi-m63E) > **[Anti-globalism's Jewish Problem](https://foreignpolicy.com/2009/11/02/anti-globalisms-jewish-problem/)** > > Anti-Semitism is again on the rise. Why now? Blame the backlash against globalization. As public anxiety grows over lost jobs, shaky economies, and political and… plus, Hitler was a fan of Arab Muslims > **[Amin al-Husseini](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini#In_Nazi-occupied_Europe)** > > Mohammed Amin al-Husseini (Arabic: محمد أمين الحسيني; c. 1897\[a\] – 4 July 1974) was a Palestinian Arab nationalist and Muslim leader in Mandatory Palestine. Al-Husseini was the scion of the al-Husayni family of Jerusalemite Arab nobles, who trace their origins to the Islamic Prophet Muhammad. > Husseini was born in Jerusalem, Ottoman Empire in 1897, he received education in Islamic, Ottoman, and Catholic schools. In 1912, he pursued Salafist religious studies in Cairo. Husseini later went on to... ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/632 "2017-02-15T00:11:57Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > read and weep, Israel-haters (communists, Islamists, neo-Nazis): It never ceases to amuse that the first thing on your lists are communists, regardless of any actual applicability. Communist doesn’t mean “anyone I don’t like.” The [Israeli communist party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maki_(political_party)) has 3 of the 120 seats in the Knesset, historically its [predecessor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maki_(historical_political_party)) has held as many as 7. For your health I’d advise against you travelling to Israel; your head would likely explode to discover how socialist it is. God forbid you ever visit a [Kibbutz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz), who knows what would happen. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/633 "2017-02-15T00:40:35Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > politics makes strange bedfellows: > [Hamas member will speak at armed march in Montana to harass Jews - The Jerusalem Post](http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Neo-Nazi-website-Hamas-member-will-speak-at-armed-march-in-Montana-to-harass-Jewish-community-477629) > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2QMQi-m63E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2QMQi-m63E) > [Anti-globalism’s Jewish Problem – Foreign Policy](http://foreignpolicy.com/2009/11/02/anti-globalisms-jewish-problem/) > plus, Hitler was a fan of Arab Muslims > [Amin al-Husseini - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini#In_Nazi-occupied_Europe) [The neo-nazis who are coming to my state in April](http://www.tradworker.org/) sure[don’t appear to be fans](http://www.tradworker.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/leaflet_7x5_no-more-refugees.jpg) of Muslims. Co-founder Matthew Parrott has written that he [“share(s) Anders Breivik’s commitment to push the Muslim invaders out of our Western homelands.”](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/traditionalist-workers-party) ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/634 "2017-02-15T05:23:21Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > It never ceases to amuse that the first thing on your lists are communists, regardless of any actual applicability. Communist doesn’t mean “anyone I don’t like.” The [Israeli communist party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maki_(political_party)) has 3 of the 120 seats in the Knesset, historically its [predecessor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maki_(historical_political_party)) has held as many as 7. For your health I’d advise against you travelling to Israel; your head would likely explode to discover how socialist it is. God forbid you ever visit a [Kibbutz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz), who knows what would happen. I’ve been to Israel; its a nation of winners in a sea of losers. Sadly, all western nations have kook parties. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/635 "2017-04-08T15:40:01Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I’ve been to Israel; its a nation of winners in a sea of losers. I think that’s a big part of the reason Israel catches so much grief from the virtue-signalling Left. It must be so much more satisfying to pretend that you are morally superior to the Israelis than the Lebanese or the Syrians or the Egyptians. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/636 "2017-04-08T16:20:22Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > [Israeli] schools don’t teach small children to see their opponents as less than human using propaganda and caricatures that Julius Streicher, the Nazi editor of Der Sturmer, would have approved of and applauded. That’s just what happens in Palestinian schools and those of other Arab countries. The West should cut off aid not just to Palestine but to any country which brainwashes children by these revolting methods. Do you have a cite for the charge that Palestinian schools uses revolting propaganda? I’m not doubting you; I just think some evidence should be placed in the thread to help educate apologists for Palestine. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/637 "2017-04-08T16:36:26Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I think that’s a big part of the reason Israel catches so much grief from the virtue-signalling Left. It must be so much more satisfying to pretend that you are morally superior to the Israelis than the Lebanese or the Syrians or the Egyptians. Not as satisfying as building a strawman argument about liberals while reciting verbatim from the extreme right wing-nut talking points playbook. Got any more counterfactual b.s. for us? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840/638 "2017-04-08T16:54:42Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Do you have a cite for the charge that Palestinian schools uses revolting propaganda? I’m not doubting you; I just think some evidence should be placed in the thread to help educate apologists for Palestine. [One fairly recent study](http://forward.com/news/israel/170451/palestinian-textbooks-dont-vilify-jews-new-study-r/) found that extreme negative characterizations of “the other” were rare in both Palestinian and Israeli texts, though the study’s findings [have been disputed](http://www.thetower.org/article/the-palestinian-textbook-fiasco/). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-palestinians-your-take/749840.md?page=31)