# Israel ! stay the hell away from EU **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 29, 2002, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508 "2002-12-29T15:41:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Naxox\_dec.2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/13edae/32.png) [@Naxox\_dec.2002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Naxox_dec.2002)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2003, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/181 "2003-01-02T22:53:03Z")
i guess that we should stick to the topic from now on ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2003, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/182 "2003-01-02T22:54:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Naxox\_dec.2002 \* > \*\*Islamic Council – about the same as secular humanist I believe. muslims are a growing number here (unfortunately), but their influence are margial compare to their number (fortunately). \*\* Hail **Naxox** , equal opportunity bigot. ---
**Author:** ![wikkidpis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f05b48/32.png) [@wikkidpis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wikkidpis)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2003, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/183 "2003-01-02T23:04:09Z")
Anyways, Naxox, how in the world would a big powerful Jewish lobby come to dominate Norway if Israel became a member of the EU (which isn’t going to happen anyway)? Italy’s a member and I don’t see Catholics dominating you black metal listening mutherhumpers. And what, pray tell, do you fear this Jewish lobby is going to do? Its just incredible. The Jews are conspiring to dominate Norway? Maybe I’m missing something. This is ridiculous, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2003, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/184 "2003-01-02T23:11:51Z")
**Waverly** wrote: > [@](#): > > Naxox, > The backpeddling is unbecoming. Either wear you tinfoil hat with pride, or put it away. With all due respect, I do not agree. If a poster feels that he has been wrong. (Note the word “if”, I do not want to put any words in Naxox’ mouth.) What is the use of the discussion, if he can not change his mind to the better? Still, **Monty** , put in Google the words: “Duma Russia news” and You get about 147.000 cites in the English language which are using the name “duma”. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2003, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/185 "2003-01-02T23:12:11Z")
Why Monty Called Henry An Asshole Henry says: > [@](#): > > **"It is forbidden to give national subsidiaries to the Finnish farmers! EU forbids our parliament to do anything about it!..And EU forbids our parliament to help our farmers…"** And Monty says: > [@](#): > > _Yeah, Henry, but in your world the EU has some magical control over Russia’s parliament._ And he has a point–it does sound like Henry believes that the EU controls the Russian Parliament. And then Henry says: > [@](#): > > \*\* “How did You come to such a conclusion? Can You rephrase something that I have written or what?”\*\* Henry, you wrote that the EU controls the Russian parliament. He doesn’t need to rephrase anything–it’s right there. And then it sounded extremely condescending and insulting for you to instruct Monty, “Btw., it’s called ‘duma’, but that does not matter, I understood what You meant by Russia’s parliment”, especially since you yourself had referred to it, twice, as “parliament”, not “duma”. Which is why Monty called you an asshole. > [@](#): > > \*\* Even a child would finds out from my posts in this thread, that I am speaking about Finland.\*\* Henry, your sig says “From Siberia with love.” Under “Location”, next to your name, it says “Russia”. Monty may perhaps be forgiven for not knowing that you are of Finnish descent, and for assuming that by referring to “our parliament”, you were talking about the Russian Parliament. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2003, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/186 "2003-01-02T23:23:43Z")
**Duck Duck** As I have read in different posts, the posters are assumed to read through the thread before they post. I do not know if You agree to this or not, but there is a whole thread about it, and more or less everybody agreed on this. Anyhow, I can not begin **every post** with: “Hi I live in Russia, but I am a Finn.” I think it is enough if I post it in one post in a thread where it is significant to know. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2003, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/187 "2003-01-02T23:42:28Z")
**Henry** - To address a minor point of English grammar in a spirit of good fellowship, to be washed down with a swig of your finest Fanta soda (if you prefer): The pronoun “you” need be capitalized only if it begins a sentence. For example: “You are a Russo-Finn.” Example of incorrect usage: “It’s hard to understand what You are trying to say.” Example of correct _and_ incorrect usage in the same sentence: “You will drive us all crazy if You do not make sense with your rantings.” Next week: adverbs. ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2003, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/188 "2003-01-02T23:43:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Henry B \* > \*\*\*\*Anyhow, > I can not begin **every post** with: “Hi I live in Russia, but I am a Finn.” > I think it is enough if I post it in one post in a thread where it is significant to know. \*\* Well, you could always change your sig line to “From Russia with sticky Finnish sauna love,” or something… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2003, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/189 "2003-01-02T23:43:32Z")
No. I’m calling him an asshole because all of his posts so far prove he’s an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Cynical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Mr.Cynical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Cynical)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2003, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/190 "2003-01-02T23:50:42Z")
My god. This kid’s bj0rn on steroids. ---
**Author:** ![edwino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@edwino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwino)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2003, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/191 "2003-01-03T00:20:04Z")
On Sunday, I crossed the Taba border crossing from Eilat, Israel to Taba, Egypt. There was no magical change in Africa to Asia. The Dead Sea Fault cannot be used as a divider because IIRC it extends into Africa where it makes the Great Rift Valley. It stretches up and runs along the middle of Israel where it forms Maktesh Ramon (the Ramon Crater) and then the Dead Sea. The Dead Sea Fault runs under the Gulf of Aqaba and I believe probably crosses over into the land in the gap between the Nabotean hills of Jordan and the Eilat Mountains of Israel. This probably puts it between Aqaba and Eilat, which are about 1 km apart. The stretch from Taba to Aqaba over Eilat is about 3 km, so we are really splitting hairs. I had heard Netanyahu’s and Katsav’s statements about the EU. I think joining the EU or NATO would be a wonderful _deus ex machina_ solution for Israel’s current worries, and I think that both NATO or the EU could benefit from it as well. Israel won’t withdraw from Palestinian territories because of their issues with security, but a mutual protection pact (whether military with NATO or economic with the EU) could ensure that Israel could take a lot more risks since it would have a big brother willing to step in for it. They could withdraw, and if the next day 6 Arab countries invaded, they could be reasonably sure to have serious backup. NATO could benefit from Israeli support in European missions and from serious intelligence, and the EU could benefit from Israel’s strong tech sector and cheap labor (if a finalized peace treaty is worked out). That said, I don’t think there is a snowball’s chance in hell of it actually happening. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2003, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/192 "2003-01-03T00:32:59Z")
**Monty** took one sentence and **DDG** three sentences. Just To page 3, which **Monty** referred to: > [@](#): > > Eg. Finland should grow corn at the same price as France etc. If You think Texas and Canada at the same time You get the idea. > And we can’t change it (withouth the help of Germany and its votes and its lashed allies). And they will not help Finland in this question, but guess are we also lashed! > > Our fucking Finnish politicians says that we are an independent state within EU. > Total bullshit. > We can’t even pee without checking with Bruesseles. And our politicians, when people want to have changes, tells us “that according to EU we can’t do this or that”… etc. If someone can’t understand from this that I am a Finn, I can not help. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2003, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/193 "2003-01-03T00:56:05Z")
Hi **Jackmannii**! We can form a Fanta-club or something. You see, my usage of the pronoun You, with a capital letter, has an explanation: In business-letters You write the 2nd plural form with a capital letter. It is polite to do so, and an English habit from at least 17th century. I am just polite toward You. I know that in America the 2nd plural lost, more or less it’s meaning. I also understand that this is not a business letter, but as I said, I want to be polite. I also write everything else as, with all my abilities, English like they do in England; harbour, neighbour etc. I once read that the phrase: “I was mad about my flat”, has two meanings, depending where You are speaking English. Anyhow, I believe we understand each other, even if some American phrases may not be so clear to me. And I am looking forward to Your next course about adverbs. (Those has always been a problem for me). Henry (born in Finland to Finnish-Swedish parents and therefore have Swedish as mother language, but understands also the other Nordic countries languages, with an exception of the langauge spoken in Iceland. Furthermore, was punished by God and some evil teachers to learn Latin at the age of 11, which is happily forgotten, able to read German and Estonian, and speak and read Russian. But has no blood relations to the last mentioned languages. Furthermore wants Finland to be independent from different blocks, sounds and is a little bit crazy, but is quite harmless.) Thank You for reading. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2003, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/194 "2003-01-03T03:08:19Z")
Well, Henry, your “mastery” of the English language is anything but so it’s not surprising at all those of us who aren’t illiterate have a rough time deciphering exactly what you’re tying to say. That is, deciphering what else besides your antisemitism you’re tyring to convey. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2003, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/195 "2003-01-03T03:41:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Well, Henry, your “mastery” of the English language is anything but so it’s not surprising at all those of us who aren’t illiterate have a rough time deciphering exactly what you’re tying to say. > > That is, deciphering what else besides your antisemitism you’re tyring to convey. \*\* Our friend, **HenryB** hasn’t said anything anti-semitic. I am enjoying what he had added to this discussion very much by the way. The OP, **naxox** , on the other hand is a babbling fool and probably an antisemite. I wish very much he would answer the questions that I posed a few posts back but I fear that he lacks the fortitude. Haj ---
**Author:** ![Naxox\_dec.2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/13edae/32.png) [@Naxox\_dec.2002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Naxox_dec.2002)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2003, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/196 "2003-01-03T13:13:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wikkidpis \* > \*\*Anyways, Naxox, how in the world would a big powerful Jewish lobby come to dominate Norway if Israel became a member of the EU (which isn’t going to happen anyway)? Italy’s a member and I don’t see Catholics dominating you black metal listening mutherhumpers. \*\* I’m talking about EU ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2003, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/197 "2003-01-03T13:19:49Z")
> [@](#): > > That is, deciphering what else besides your antisemitism you’re tyring to convey. Want to convey to the rest of us where Henry convey’s Anti-Semitism? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2003, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/198 "2003-01-03T13:25:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Naxox\_dec.2002 \* > \*\*I’m talking about EU \*\* They’ll have to stand in line behind the Cypriot lobby. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2003, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/199 "2003-01-03T13:33:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Naxox\_dec.2002 \* > \*\*I’m talking about EU \*\* Eu talking about me? Are **Eu** talking about _me_!? What are eu saying about me? Are eu laughing at me? Eu think I am funny? But, I’m funny how? Funny like a clown? I amuse you? I make you laugh? I’m here to fuckin’ amuse you? Fenris PS: Argumentum ad Fontsize doesn’t win arguments _or_ friends. Just a hint for eu. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2003, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508/200 "2003-01-03T15:01:27Z")
> [@](#): > > If someone can’t understand from this that I am a Finn, I can not help. You DO NOT UNDERSTAND how much weight is given here at the SDMB to what’s in a person’s sig, and what’s in a person’s Location. We have over 28,000 registered members here–it isn’t realistic, or fair, to expect everyone to simply _remember_ where everyone else is coming from in terms of race, religion, sex, or national origin. It isn’t fair to expect someone reading a thread to somehow _deduce_ from a couple of references to Finnish agriculture and Finnish politics in a single earlier post that that poster is therefore Finnish. Now if you had a history of always taking the Finnish slant on things, that would be different. We would all be more or less aware that HenryB is Finnish but he lives in Russia. But so far you have very consistently taken the Russian slant on things. “Here in Russia…” etc. I only happened to remember that you were Finnish because you mentioned it a long time ago, and that’s the kind of trivia-friendly mind I have, and so I understood that your remarks about Finnish agriculture were not the incomprehensible blatherings of a Russian posting from Russia. Because if you read that post as coming from a Russian, it makes no sense. > [@](#): > > Monty took one sentence and DDG three sentences. \<\< makes mental note not to try to help Henry anymore \>\> [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-stay-the-hell-away-from-eu/145508.md?page=11)