# Israel votes to expel Arafat. Would this make him more powerful? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 11, 2003, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-votes-to-expel-arafat-would-this-make-him-more-powerful/201014 "2003-09-11T18:15:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Daisy\_Cutter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f6c823/32.png) [@Daisy\_Cutter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daisy_Cutter)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-votes-to-expel-arafat-would-this-make-him-more-powerful/201014/61 "2003-09-14T16:21:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by glee \* > \*\*Well there we have it. A ‘complete summary’ of the entire conflict. > According to you, there was no reason at all for anyone to attack Israel. > \*\* Yep, that’s pretty much how I see it. There was no justification for anybody to attack Israel. The _displaced_ arabs (there was no such thing as “palestinians” back then) can thank their war mongering brothers for their situation. Their _liberation_ movement began three years before they were even “occupied”. Is Arafat Psychic perhaps ? Why does nobody mention all of the displaced Jews that were forced to flee Arab countries ? The whole slew of countries attacking Israel in 1948 were sure of their victory, just as they were in many wars after that date. Guess what ? They lost, time and time again. Time to suck it up and admit their failures and pathetic mistakes. \*\*No displaced Palestinians, no historical or religious background. \*\* If one is going to talk about historical or religious arguments, I would assume Israel easily has the upper hand in this area, as their historical ties to the land and religion predates that of the people currently in the disputed areas. **Just a bunch of violent Arabs with no motivation.** Well, those are your words and not mine, but I find this to be fairly accurate in many cases, besides for the motivation part. The motivation is genocide, and the unrealistic fantasy of taking back all of Israel and driving the Jews into the sea. The violent ones have stated that they do not wish peace, so I tend to believe them. Just like your cheap insults, which are littered all over your reply, your so called points don’t carry any merit. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-votes-to-expel-arafat-would-this-make-him-more-powerful/201014/62 "2003-09-14T17:12:09Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by glee_ > Well there we have it. A ‘complete summary’ of the entire conflict. > According to you, there was no reason at all for anyone to attack Israel. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daisy Cutter \* > There was no justification for anybody to attack Israel. The _displaced_ arabs (there was no such thing as “palestinians” back then) can thank their war mongering brothers for their situation. So if you are ‘displaced’ from your homeland, you should go quietly? (Do feel free to expand on your remark about warmongering arabs being responsible) > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daisy Cutter \* > The whole slew of countries attacking Israel in 1948 were sure of their victory, just as they were in many wars after that date. Guess what ? They lost, time and time again. Time to suck it up and admit their failures and pathetic mistakes. Ah, so the losers of a war are automatically ‘pathetic failures’. Lucky for the rest of Europe that the British didn’t have that attitude in 1940. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daisy Cutter \* > \*\*No displaced Palestinians, no historical or religious background. \*\* > If one is going to talk about historical or religious arguments, I would assume Israel easily has the upper hand in this area, as their historical ties to the land and religion predates that of the people currently in the disputed areas. I see your thinking now. For example, the American Indians had the ‘historical ties’ to America, but they were ‘pathetic failures’ because they lost the wars and thus deserved to lose their land (oh, sorry - be ‘displaced’). > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daisy Cutter \* > **Just a bunch of violent Arabs with no motivation.** > > Well, those are your words and not mine, but I find this to be fairly accurate in many cases, besides for the motivation part. The motivation is genocide, and the unrealistic fantasy of taking back all of Israel and driving the Jews into the sea. The violent ones have stated that they do not wish peace, so I tend to believe them. Could you just clarify which Arabs you mean? Egyptian? Jordanian? Syrian? Iraqi? And will the ‘genocide’ be all Jews worldwide, all inhabitants of Israel, all Jews in Israel or some other group? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daisy Cutter \* > Just like your cheap insults, which are littered all over your reply, your so called points don’t carry any merit. Well done on spotting the insults! (After all, you missed the sarcasm.) Let me explain why your posts really nark me. The motto of this board is to fight ignorance. The Middle East situation is a complicated tragedy, with both sides claiming religious and historical reasons to own the land. Thousands have died over the past 50 years, both in wars and in shootings and bombings. Surrounding countries have been drawn in, and violent incidents taken place around the World (eg Munich Olympics). All sorts of peace agreements have been tried (by the UN, US Presidents and others). One side has nuclear weapons (and spends billions of dollars annually on weapons.) And all this has been reduced by you to this: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daisy Cutter \* > The problem is this: > 1948 Israels enemies call for the destruction of Israel and act on this. > 2003 Israels enemies call for the destruction of Israel and act on this. I may indeed have taken some cheap shots at you (did you ask your teacher about WW2?), but your ‘summary’ is certainly without merit and deserved it. (By the way, do please cite the 2003 quotes of ‘Israel’s enemies’.) ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2003, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-votes-to-expel-arafat-would-this-make-him-more-powerful/201014/63 "2003-09-15T06:51:33Z")
> [@](#): > > **They do deserve death.** Genocidal bigotry. Nice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israel-votes-to-expel-arafat-would-this-make-him-more-powerful/201014.md?page=3)