# Israeli men from one town form posse to stop Jewish Girls from dating Arabs **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 17, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466 "2010-10-17T18:44:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/1 "2010-10-17T18:44:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Every night, dozens of young men in Jerusalem’s Pisgat Ze’ev neighborhood take to the streets and go out searching for girls. But theirs is not a promiscuous search. In fact, the group of some 35 volunteers is looking to prevent such interaction and to stop what neighborhood residents have overwhelmingly complained is a growing problem in Pisgat Ze’ev - Arab men going out with Jewish girls. What was once a rare occurrence, residents say, has become the norm in this north Jerusalem suburb, which shares a side of the security barrier with the Palestinian village of Anata and the scattered dwellings on the edge of Shuafat refugee camp. Residents now say that, due to Pisgat Ze’ev’s location and increasingly mixed Arab-Jewish population, the phenomenon of mixed dating has grown, with violent outbursts breaking out frequently between Arab and Jewish youth over the matter, and with growing communal anger over what many here feel is simply unacceptable. “A rare occurrence?” a shopkeeper in the local mall asked sardonically this week when asked about the situation. “My friend, it’s not rare at all, this has become the reality. Pisgat Ze’ev has turned into one gigantic whorehouse, please excuse the expression.” “[The young Arab men] come here to the mall and we see it all the time, they take the girls to the bathroom, they laugh with each other about it. And as if that wasn’t worse, one of them opened up an actual whorehouse just up the street. There are Jewish girls in there! It’s nothing short of a disgrace!” Enter Eish L’Yahadut (Fire for Judaism), a volunteer group made up of both religious and secular Pisgat Ze’ev residents, who walk the streets at night looking for local girls out with Arab men. “We’re not aggressive, and we don’t use violence,” said Moshe, a 31-year-old member of the group who spoke to The Jerusalem Post on Thursday. “Our goal is to be in contact with these girls and try to explain to them the dangers of what they’re getting themselves into. In the last 10 years, 60 girls from Pisgat Ze’ev have gone into the [West Bank Arab] villages,” he said. “And most of them aren’t heard from after that.” Moshe said that his group also maintains contact with the Arab men as well, in an effort to convince them that pursuing such relationships is not in their best interest. “One of the girls we’re in contact with, her father is a commander with the Jerusalem Police,” Moshe said. “Once the guy she was with heard about that, things changed.” While some girls are receptive to the group’s efforts, others are not. “But we keep trying,” Moshe said. “These are girls who usually don’t know any better, who come from troubled homes, and they’re swept up by the guy’s charm or nice clothes. We try to show them that these aren’t the most important things, and we have women who speak to them as well.” According to Moshe, the group is currently in contact with 17 girls, the majority of whom are in high school. The group has encountered physical confrontations, but, Moshe said, iits work is done within the full confines of the law, and the Arab men they approach are often receptive as well. However, Arab residents of the neighborhood told the Post that the group has been a problem. “They come out all the time and hassle us,” said Imad, who works in the Pisgat Ze’ev mall. “I was out with this girl the other night, and they came up and started talking to us. I don’t like it, you know? What do they care who I’m with?” But for Moshe and his group, the importance of their job lies with the girls they say they are protecting. “Sometimes these guys are abusive to the girls,” Moshe said. “While that usually starts after they’re married, there was an incident recently where one of these guys was beating the girl up in the middle of the street. We got involved, and she left him, but it’s a shame that it has to come to that.” Another major issue for the group are the brothels that have sprung up in the neighborhood. In addition to their nightly “patrols,” the group stages protests outside the houses of ill repute in an effort to pressure the owners to shut them down. “Our mission is not against Arabs,” Moshe said. “But it is for the protection of Jewish women, wherever they may be. And with regards to the brothels, the police don’t interfere, because they’re run by crime families. But if enough residents stand up against them, I believe they will be shut down.” In that vein, Eish L’Yahadut is planning a rally next Thursday in front of the mall, to protest the brothels and what it calls “police inaction” over the matter. “We want to get the neighborhood involved,” Moshe said. “Because it’s our neighborhood, and if we don’t stand up for it, no one will.” From the JPOST; [Israel News: Updates on Israeli Politics, Security & Diplomacy | The Jerusalem Post](http://www.jpost.com/Home/Article.aspx?id=155387) I was wondering if this was suitable for MPSIMS as opposed to Great Debates or IMHO. But, the subject and aim is so laughable that I thought it deserves to be here. These guys need to get a life. ---
**Author:** ![Laudenum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Laudenum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laudenum)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/2 "2010-10-17T19:10:42Z")
Sounds a bit weird tbh. Can’t imagine going up to a white woman with a black guy and saying “He’s going to beat you and bring you to the ghetto and dissappear you”. EDIT: This is from '09 ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/3 "2010-10-17T19:16:33Z")
2009, not 1909. ---
**Author:** ![Shmendrik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Shmendrik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shmendrik)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/4 "2010-10-18T03:07:16Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > 2009, not 1909. Cool story. What do Palestinian Muslim men think about Muslim girls who date Israeli Jewish guys, btw? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/5 "2010-10-18T03:35:07Z")
Er, why is it cool? It sounds pretty horrifying to me. ---
**Author:** ![Shmendrik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Shmendrik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shmendrik)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/6 "2010-10-18T03:38:07Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Er, why is it cool? It sounds pretty horrifying to me. Sorry, I was being sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/7 "2010-10-18T03:40:02Z")
Oops, sorry. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/8 "2010-10-18T03:47:26Z")
> [@Shmendrik](#): > > Cool story. What do Palestinian Muslim men think about Muslim girls who date Israeli Jewish guys, btw? What does that have to do with the price of pork…other than “ooohh look, they are doing something worse, so let’s excuse this behaviour”? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/9 "2010-10-18T03:56:49Z")
This is going to be amusing up to the moment someone gets killed. ---
**Author:** ![Shmendrik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Shmendrik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shmendrik)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/10 "2010-10-18T04:35:38Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > What does that have to do with the price of pork…other than “ooohh look, they are doing something worse, so let’s excuse this behaviour”? Not excusing anything, just curious. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/11 "2010-10-18T06:52:43Z")
I’m curious. Can you make a burning Star of David? ---
**Author:** ![Laudenum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Laudenum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laudenum)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/12 "2010-10-18T08:30:54Z")
> [@Shmendrik](#): > > Cool story. What do Palestinian Muslim men think about Muslim girls who date Israeli Jewish guys, btw? It’s the Jeruselum Post - I’m sure they would have covered similar groups of Muslims if any existed. ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/13 "2010-10-18T10:00:06Z")
But really, if you think about it, this is for the Arab men’s protection in the long run. Because, [as has already been established in Israeli courts](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/21/arab-guilty-rape-consensual-sex-jew), sex between the two races can be judged as an act of rape, even after the fact and if consent was given. I think the arab guys should ultimately be thanking these Israeli men for saving them from themselves. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/14 "2010-10-18T10:22:40Z")
> [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > But really, if you think about it, this is for the Arab men’s protection in the long run. Because, [as has already been established in Israeli courts](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/21/arab-guilty-rape-consensual-sex-jew), sex between the two races can be judged as an act of rape, even after the fact and if consent was given. > > I think the arab guys should ultimately be thanking these Israeli men for saving them from themselves. Er…read carefully…that’s not entirely true. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/15 "2010-10-18T10:56:14Z")
This is just wrong. As long as it’s consensual and there is nothing illegal happening, then these Fire of Judiasm people need to get a damn life. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/16 "2010-10-18T11:18:24Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > This is just wrong. As long as it’s consensual and there is nothing illegal happening, then these Fire of Judiasm people need to get a damn life. There’s been a thread here before about this…turns it the actual charge was something along the lines of rape by deceit - in other words, the protagonist (defendent?) lied to get the girl into bed. Now you can argue about the consensuality of that, the appropriateness of the law or whatever, but it is a little different from “consensual sex is rape if you are the wrong race” ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/17 "2010-10-18T13:11:40Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Now you can argue about the consensuality of that, the appropriateness of the law or whatever, but it is a little different from “consensual sex is rape if you are the wrong race” Okay fine, how about “consensual sex **can be** rape if you are the wrong race?”. Given that it was the guy’s race that was the criterion for which the woman claimed she had been deceived I think my summation of that case isn’t particularly wrong, unpalatable as it might be. Therefore if I was an arab I’d probably want to think quite hard about sleeping with an Israeli woman, given that caselaw has been established which can be appealed to by claiming he’d told her he was Jewish thus suddenly making consensual sex retroactively into rape. But I’m hijacking, this is a different issue, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/18 "2010-10-18T13:18:17Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m curious. Can you make a burning Star of David? > [@monstro](#): > > … then these Fire of Judiasm people need to get a damn life. Why am I picturing a CD in the Discount Bin? “…Oh, man. You think Israel’s _ready_ for all this Jew fire?” - Nick and Norah’s Infinite Playlist (2008) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/19 "2010-10-18T13:23:13Z")
The quote in the OP strikes me as a case of “They’re stealing our women!”. Really - it’s an effort to keep the Jewish women dating/mating only with Jewish men, and such things are always expressed as “protecting” women who are always described as “naive” and not knowing their own minds. It’s disgusting. Here’s a fun fact: when two groups live next to each other sometimes the young people realize they’re all human underneath the crust of race/culture/ethnicity/etc. and date/mate across the lines. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466/20 "2010-10-18T13:27:49Z")
It’s also interesting how it’s always the women who need to be controlled. Nothing mentioned about how they’ll try to prevent Jewish men from dating Arab women. And another poster even asked how Muslim men feel about Muslim girls dating Israeli men. Not how the Israeli men would feel about it, but how the Muslim men would feel. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/israeli-men-from-one-town-form-posse-to-stop-jewish-girls-from-dating-arabs/557466.md?page=2)