# It couldn't be, could it? \[Republicans planning on economic failure\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 26, 2011, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-couldnt-be-could-it-republicans-planning-on-economic-failure/586952 "2011-06-26T23:08:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-couldnt-be-could-it-republicans-planning-on-economic-failure/586952/143 "2011-07-20T17:09:38Z")
I’ll just leave this here: > [@](#): > > **GOP will nix bipartisan ‘Gang of Six’ debt proposal because Obama took credit for it, source says** > > \ > > But a high-ranking Republican aide told [Politico.com](http://Politico.com) that Obama’s cheerleading would immediately turn off conservatives in the Republican-controlled House. > > “Background guidance: The President killed any chance of its success by 1) Embracing it. 2) Hailing the fact that it increases taxes. 3) Saying it mirrors his own plan,” a GOP leadership aide e-mailed to Politico’s Playbook. > > SOURCE: [http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/07/20/2011-07-20\_gop\_will\_nix\_bipartisan\_gang\_of\_six\_debt\_proposal\_because\_obama\_took\_credit\_for\_.html](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/07/20/2011-07-20_gop_will_nix_bipartisan_gang_of_six_debt_proposal_because_obama_took_credit_for_.html) ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-couldnt-be-could-it-republicans-planning-on-economic-failure/586952/144 "2011-07-20T17:16:40Z")
So how have these guys not been outed as terrorists yet? I mean, that pretty much clinches the notion that they’re holding the country hostage, or trying to anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-couldnt-be-could-it-republicans-planning-on-economic-failure/586952/145 "2011-07-20T17:28:30Z")
If they oppose it, I will lay money they will pass a clean debt ceiling increase at literally the eleventh hour, with few spending cuts. Anyway you look at it, the Republicans lose. ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-couldnt-be-could-it-republicans-planning-on-economic-failure/586952/146 "2011-07-20T17:45:59Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I’ll just leave this here: Jesus Hussein Christ, why doesn’t Obama realize that he’s dealing with a bunch of ten-year olds, and tell them that he wants tax cuts? Then they’ll all vote for tax hikes, and everybody will be happy. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-couldnt-be-could-it-republicans-planning-on-economic-failure/586952/147 "2011-07-20T18:40:33Z")
> [@brocks](#): > > Jesus Hussein Christ, why doesn’t Obama realize that he’s dealing with a bunch of ten-year olds, and tell them that he wants tax cuts? Then they’ll all vote for tax hikes, and everybody will be happy. But wait! It gets better! > [@](#): > > “[W]e find out the president has a big birthday bash scheduled for August the 3rd, celebrities flying in from all over,” Gohmert told Newsmax TV yesterday. “And lo and behold, August 2nd is the deadline for getting something done so he can have this massive, the biggest fundraising dinner in history for a birthday celebration.” That’s right: This whole “idiot Republicans are taking the world economy to the brink of financial ruin” ferrago is just a way for Obama to raise money… from celebrities. “Isn’t that amazing?” Gohmert wonders. “The timing of this?” > > SOURCE: [http://gawker.com/5822470/the-great-debt-ceiling-deadline+obama-birthday-party-conspiracy](http://gawker.com/5822470/the-great-debt-ceiling-deadline+obama-birthday-party-conspiracy) And… > [@](#): > > Which brings us to the case for collapse. Some in the political system have sought to convince themselves that blowing through the debt ceiling won’t be painful. Rep. Mo Brooks, for instance, said “our credit rating should be improved by not raising the debt ceiling.” The people who tell the market what to think are doing everything they can to tell politicians like Brooks that this is dangerously, catastrophically wrong. > > SOURCE: [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/wonkbook-five-possible-deals-and-a-slew-of-new-warnings/2011/07/15/gIQAUVQvFI\_blog.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/wonkbook-five-possible-deals-and-a-slew-of-new-warnings/2011/07/15/gIQAUVQvFI_blog.html) ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-couldnt-be-could-it-republicans-planning-on-economic-failure/586952/148 "2011-07-21T02:45:17Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I think conservatives want others to understand their point of view, so I’ll give it a shot: > > @ **Clothahump** - Is that your honest opinion, or just playful snark? About half and half. Obama’s actions sure look like he wants the economy to collapse. But I am having difficulty believing that even he wants something that stupid and disastrous to happen just so he can benefit politically. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-couldnt-be-could-it-republicans-planning-on-economic-failure/586952/149 "2011-07-21T11:34:39Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > About half and half. Obama’s actions sure look like he wants the economy to collapse. But I am having difficulty believing that even he wants something that stupid and disastrous to happen just so he can benefit politically. But how can he “come galloping to the rescue with more big government spending” if the Republicans control the House, which controls the purse strings? Your premise makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-couldnt-be-could-it-republicans-planning-on-economic-failure/586952/150 "2011-07-21T13:03:13Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > About half and half. Obama’s actions sure look like he wants the economy to collapse. Given what I posted above (Obama offering substantial spending cuts) how do you grok that he is angling for a collapsed economy? It is the republicans who are denying any hope for a resolution. Not Obama. (To be clear I think Obama sucks for capitulating as much as he has…he has rolled over time and again to republican demands and this time seems no different…the Capitulator-in-Chief). ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-couldnt-be-could-it-republicans-planning-on-economic-failure/586952/151 "2011-07-21T13:05:54Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It’s been used to support the federal government’s encouragement of policies via its spending power (i.e., highway funds to states with 21 as a minimum drinking age and 55 mph as a maximum speed limit). > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Which case was that? Drinking age: _South Dakota v. Dole_, 483 US 203 (1987) Speed limit: _Nevada v. Skinner_, 884 F.2d 445, (9th Cir 1989), cert. denied, 493 U.S. 1070 (1990). ---
**Author:** ![MilTan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@MilTan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MilTan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-couldnt-be-could-it-republicans-planning-on-economic-failure/586952/152 "2011-07-21T13:07:03Z")
No, no. You don’t understand. Obama is pushing for big spending cuts, and we all know that spending cuts right now will destroy the economy. Ergo, Obama wants to destroy the economy. Or something like that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-couldnt-be-could-it-republicans-planning-on-economic-failure/586952.md?page=7)