# It doesn't sell! Let's call it something else! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** food-cooking\ **Created:** [January 22, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624 "2023-01-22T21:34:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/21 "2023-01-23T03:12:28Z")
Here’s the difference for anyone interested: > **[Pork Shoulder vs Pork Butt: The Differences Explained - Barbecue FAQ](https://barbecuefaq.com/pork-shoulder-vs-pork-butt/)** > > The pork shoulder and pork butt (Boston butt) are cuts of meat that are commonly mistaken for each other. However, there are distinct differences between them. That said, I have seen what is obviously pork butt sold as pork shoulder as well. I’ve also seen “shoulder butt.” The Hormel cryovacced stuff I see still as “pork butt,” though: [https://www.hormelfoodservice.com/products/always-tenderr-pork-butt-steak-ready-boneless-101-pc/](https://www.hormelfoodservice.com/products/always-tenderr-pork-butt-steak-ready-boneless-101-pc/) ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/22 "2023-01-23T03:16:32Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > That said, I have seen what is obviously pork butt sold as pork shoulder as well. I’ve also seen “shoulder butt.” Which was exactly the point of my post. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/23 "2023-01-23T03:21:40Z")
I know? ---
**Author:** ![Banksiaman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banksiaman/32/3334_2.png) [@Banksiaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banksiaman)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/24 "2023-01-23T04:15:43Z")
Obligatory Simpsons clip summarising the key elements of the previous two dozen posts: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/XD7uKwtc_FU/hqdefault.jpg "Krusty Burger vs McDonalds") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD7uKwtc_FU) ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/25 "2023-01-23T13:23:11Z")
Surprised they didn’t change it earlier, as Gold Star, like a lot of early Korean imports, had a terrible reputation. ---
**Author:** ![california\_jobcase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9d8465/32.png) [@california\_jobcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/california_jobcase)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/26 "2023-01-23T13:48:12Z")
I have a 25 year-old GoldStar microwave, and it still works perfectly. I guess that’s only one data point, however. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/27 "2023-01-23T14:47:54Z")
When they first marketed the Chinese gooseberry in the US, they renamed it the kiwi. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/28 "2023-01-23T15:09:30Z")
Ref post #8. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/29 "2023-01-23T16:04:16Z")
Thistle seed used to be called niger, but that didn’t work for reasons you might be able to figure out. Some companies market it as nyjer, some as thistle, but it is all niger. ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/30 "2023-01-23T16:13:01Z")
Nobody in their right mind would pay good money for jewelry made out of ugly brown industrial diamonds. Rebrand them as “chocolate diamonds” and the suckers bite. ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/31 "2023-01-23T17:26:01Z")
Remember ValuJet? That airline’s reputation was so tarnished after the infamous 1996 crash in the Everglades they bought a much smaller airline called AirTran and took their name. I’d guess 99% of AirTran’s customers had no idea they were flying on the airline formerly known as ValuJet. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/32 "2023-01-23T17:33:24Z")
And then Southwest Airlines bought AirTran in the early 2010s, so in a sense ValuJet still exists. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/33 "2023-01-23T18:00:20Z")
Prunes seem to have become mostly “dried plums” over the last decade or two. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/34 "2023-01-23T18:22:59Z")
It seems to me there has been a half-hearted effort to rebrand Jerusalem artichokes as “sunchokes.” And haven’t coypu been renamed “nutria” in hopes of creating a market for their meat? Not that it’s been a successful strategy. I must say, my appetite is not whetted [when I read this:](https://www.exoticmeatmarkets.com/Nutria-Meat-Buy-Nutria-Meat-Nutria-Meat-recipes-s/221.htm) > Nutria are not RATS. They do share the same taxonomic order, as do about 40% of all mammals, including squirrels, beaver, and guinea pigs. Nutria are most closely related to porcupines or South American capybaras (but taste much better!). ---
**Author:** ![sitchensis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sitchensis/32/4892_2.png) [@sitchensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sitchensis)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/35 "2023-01-23T18:24:28Z")
An entire top round will break down into London broils with the exception of one chunk (pot roast). It makes for a quick and economic way to fill a freezer just before grilling season. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/36 "2023-01-23T18:48:26Z")
This thread reminds me of the farmer who realized the ugly and misshaped carrots that weren’t acceptable for grocery store customers could be whittled down into uniform “baby carrots”, which would have no problem selling. > **[The birth of the baby carrot](https://www.hughescapital.com/the-birth-of-the-baby-carrot/)** > > Do you know the history behind baby carrots? This is one of my favorite stories about industry disruptors and changers. Baby carrots haven’t been around all that long. In fact, baby carrots have only existed since 1986. How is that possible? You... ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/37 "2023-01-23T18:58:29Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > And haven’t coypu been renamed “nutria” in hopes of creating a market for their meat? Not that it’s been a successful strategy. As I said to myself when I first heard the word _nutria_: “That should not be the name of an animal. It should be the name of an artificial sweetener.” ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/38 "2023-01-23T19:27:47Z")
Top [quote=“sitchensis, post:35, topic:978624, full:true”] An entire top round will break down into London broils with the exception of one chunk (pot roast). It makes for a quick and economic way to fill a freezer just before grilling season. [/quote] Top round is not flank steak - different parts of the cow. You make London broil from flank steak; the cooking method is essential to keeping it tender. With top round, you get marinated top round, not London broil. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/39 "2023-01-23T19:35:10Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > > [@CairoCarol](#): > > > > And haven’t coypu been renamed “nutria” in hopes of creating a market for their meat? Not that it’s been a successful strategy. > > As I said to myself when I first heard the word _nutria_: “That should not be the name of an animal. It should be the name of an artificial sweetener.”- Or a diet system. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624/40 "2023-01-23T20:07:41Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > This thread reminds me of the farmer who realized the ugly and misshaped carrots that weren’t acceptable for grocery store customers Now they’re just called “organic”, which is apparently Latin for “comes with dirt”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-doesnt-sell-lets-call-it-something-else/978624.md?page=3)