# It is implausible that pchaos is a lawyer and he should stop claiming to be one **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316 "2013-02-14T20:34:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/241 "2013-02-15T23:31:56Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Moreso, this whole idea that science and religion are opposed to eachother is just silly. Science isn’t a means to determining ethics and morals. Science is just our best guess at how things are, there are absolutely zero moral or ethical implications from science directly. What science does do, if anything, is create situations that had previously not been explored and then we go into it trying to make ethical and moral rules based on our existing beliefs and morals and ethics. I agree, that’s why I think of science and technology like money. It is a means to an ends and nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/242 "2013-02-15T23:38:02Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > I agree, that’s why I think of science and technology like money. It is a means to an ends and nothing more. So why are you asking them to develop an ethical system, you idiot? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/243 "2013-02-15T23:41:05Z")
Any concept of “merely a means to s&m end” that includes science would also include religion. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/244 "2013-02-15T23:42:00Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > So why are you asking them to develop an ethical system, you idiot? I think the last two words of this question answer the question itself. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/245 "2013-02-15T23:43:03Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Any concept of “merely a means to s&m end” that includes science would also include religion. A means to s&m end? Whole different thread. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/246 "2013-02-15T23:44:00Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > Sometimes I wish that I had never practiced law and in a couple more years I may be in a different business. Hell, you could be in a different business by next week, at whatever board you feel like trolling next. May I recommend, Astronaut? ---
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/247 "2013-02-15T23:45:21Z")
Atheists, please check my work: atheism’s coherent philosophy is that gods don’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/248 "2013-02-15T23:45:36Z")
Huh. I thought **pchaos** had been banned. His trollery was pretty obvious early on. BTW, I can often actually understand **kanicbird** , but I can’t understand this guy. ---
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/249 "2013-02-15T23:46:11Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > **pchaos** is entertaining as hell, in a Lindsay Lohan, NASCAR wreck sort of way. If the epic stupidity is the only knock so far, I’ll lobby for him to stay. If this a recommendation, remind me not to include you as a reference when I reapply for a moderator’s job on the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/250 "2013-02-15T23:47:37Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > A means to s&m end? Whole different thread. Autocorrect strikes again! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/251 "2013-02-15T23:52:17Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > BTW, I can often actually understand **kanicbird** , but I can’t understand this guy. **kanicbird** sometimes makes sense if he’s not talking about anything that he can tie to his spiritual weirdness. Otherwise I am sure he’s schizophrenic or has some other disease that causes hallucinations. **pchaos** is just stupid and plays stupid-er when he’s not getting his way. ---
**Author:** ![R3d\_Anonymous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aeb1de/32.png) [@R3d\_Anonymous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R3d_Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/252 "2013-02-15T23:59:54Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t think this comes anywhere near the the Pit mods’ standard for trolling. **pchaos** is so lazy and stupid on his own that when he tries to be dumb, it doesn’t make much difference. What is the Pit moderators’ standard on trolling? What would one have to do for the Pit moderators to even consider trolling? Just asking in a harmless manner… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/253 "2013-02-16T00:02:57Z")
Ask in ATMB, please. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/254 "2013-02-16T00:04:36Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t think this comes anywhere near the the Pit mods’ standard for trolling. **pchaos** is so lazy and stupid on his own that when he tries to be dumb, it doesn’t make much difference. I was thinking of it more of “the last straw of evidence needed” sense - not that his actions here are particularly trollful - just that they show that even here, he can’t help himself. ---
**Author:** ![R3d\_Anonymous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aeb1de/32.png) [@R3d\_Anonymous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R3d_Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/255 "2013-02-16T00:27:51Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Ask in ATMB, please. [Done.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=682502) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/256 "2013-02-16T00:41:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by pchaos View Post > I’m just waiting to see if atheists can come up with something. I reject by religion and philosophy. I have no use for either. Why is it you think we should be trying to come up with a “coherent philosophy?” My days are plenty full enough without another meaningless task. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/257 "2013-02-16T00:46:23Z")
> [@Robb](#): > > Atheists, please check my work: atheism’s coherent philosophy is that gods don’t exist. Naw, see, we tried about 15 pages of that already. **Pchaos** insists atheists, as a group who clearly are required to agree on everything together, have to have something more. _Have_ to. He insists. He even offered to start a church for us, over our objections that, hey, we’ve got nothing to worship, so we don’t need a church. Since his words mean what he means them to say and nothing other, we’ve gathered that when he says “coherent philosophy,” he means “incoherent nonsense.” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/258 "2013-02-16T00:59:14Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > Naw, see, we tried about 15 pages of that already. **Pchaos** insists atheists, as a group who clearly are required to agree on everything together, have to have something more. _Have_ to. Because theists like Christians and Muslims agree on everything. They never fight each other or murder each other over piddling differences in dogma. ---
**Author:** ![raspberry\_hunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@raspberry\_hunter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raspberry_hunter)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/259 "2013-02-16T01:00:02Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > The NT is my coherent philosophy. I’m just waiting to see if atheists can come up with something, so far very little. Oh, dude. You mean the coherent philosophy where Jesus charged them to tell no one of the gospel (Mark 8) and where he said he came to bring not peace but a sword (Matt 10)? You mean that philosophy? And my favorite, the bit that says “For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels” (1 Cor 11) ? I’m not an atheist, and I consider myself Christian, and I try to by-and-large live by the NT myself, but I don’t think any kind of rational, reasonable human being could possibly cite the NT as a _coherent_ philosophy. Oh wait. ETA: To answer your question, I read Jean-Paul Sartre (whom I assume was an atheist) in college, and I thought his philosophy was quite coherent and logical. I also disagreed strenuously with it and thought it was crap, but hey, that’s not the question that was asked. ---
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/260 "2013-02-16T01:04:39Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > Naw, see, we tried about 15 pages of that already. **Pchaos** insists atheists, as a group who clearly are required to agree on everything together, have to have something more. _Have_ to. He insists. He even offered to start a church for us, over our objections that, hey, we’ve got nothing to worship, so we don’t need a church. Since his words mean what he means them to say and nothing other, we’ve gathered that when he says “coherent philosophy,” he means “incoherent nonsense.” I see. Until now, I would have guessed that atheism is one of the easier to grasp -isms. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316.md?page=14)