# It is implausible that pchaos is a lawyer and he should stop claiming to be one **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316 "2013-02-14T20:34:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/301 "2013-02-16T22:31:06Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What kind of law do you practice, **pchaos**? I’d guess either Murphy’s or Sturgeon’s. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/302 "2013-02-16T22:38:23Z")
> [@huck](#): > > I asked pchaos if he was really a lawyer because he doesn’t seem to think, express himself or display the kind of knowledge **most** lawyers have and use. I have bolded the important, if weaselly, word. I know some lawyers who are pretty dumb. > [@](#): > > He might be a lawyer, but I’d be interested to know some specifics about his area of expertise and practice. My money is on his being one of those guys in gaudy suits who hang around Traffic Court hoping some guy with a DUI realizes he needs a lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/303 "2013-02-16T23:51:17Z")
> [@simster](#): > > are you really this stupid or are you just jerking around to get a reaction? Both. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/304 "2013-02-17T00:19:15Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Both. right - I should have ended it with a period to indicate it was a rhetorical device… damn new rules and definitions… ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/305 "2013-02-17T07:03:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What kind of law do you practice, **pchaos**? After reading this thread and the links, I’m curious myself. Can you enlighten us, **pchaos**? ---
**Author:** ![saje](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saje/32/3631_2.png) [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/306 "2013-02-17T13:59:35Z")
Me too. What’s your specialty, **pchaos**? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/307 "2013-02-17T14:35:09Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > My money is on his being one of those guys in gaudy suits who hang around Traffic Court hoping some guy with a DUI realizes he needs a lawyer. I doubt it. Those guys have to be at least smart enough to get through Caribbean mail order law school. ---
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/308 "2013-02-17T15:16:17Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > And was an atheist. As was Marx, who reached opposite – but equally “coherent” – conclusions. You’ve got the aforementioned Jean-Paul Sartre and everyone from Bertrand Russell to Friedrich Nietzsche. Various atheists have produced competing systems that have appealed to different people. What’s your point? Without God there would be no atheists. Chesterton. The atheists on this Board have painted themselves into a corner. All they have is their disbelief in God or gods. So if you got rid of God or gods there is just disbelief and thus atheists would be gone. In order for atheism to maintain relevance they need to go beyond there’s no God. I’m a Christian, I have no real interest in creating a coherent philosophy for you. All I can just quickly survey the literature and say I don’t consider any of the “atheist” systems I’ve looked at sufficiently coherent. Also, I’ll agree with OP’s request that I will minimize any mention of my profession. ---
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/309 "2013-02-17T15:21:31Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > Also, I’ll agree with OP’s request that I will minimize any mention of my profession. Which is writing fiction? Counseling other survivors of traumatic brain injury? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/310 "2013-02-17T15:25:18Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > Without God there would be no atheists. Chesterton. > > The atheists on this Board have painted themselves into a corner. All they have is their disbelief in God or gods. So if you got rid of God or gods there is just disbelief and thus atheists would be gone. > > In order for atheism to maintain relevance they need to go beyond there’s no God. > > I’m a Christian, I have no real interest in creating a coherent philosophy for you. All I can just quickly survey the literature and say I don’t consider any of the “atheist” systems I’ve looked at sufficiently coherent. > > Also, I’ll agree with OP’s request that I will minimize any mention of my profession. I know that even in The BBQ Pit there is a limit to how nasty we can get, but…In comparison to you, _ **lekatt** _ sounds coherent and logical. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/311 "2013-02-17T15:30:48Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > All they have is their disbelief in God or gods. So if you got rid of God or gods there is just disbelief and thus atheists would be gone. This is so incredibly stupid I have trouble accepting that even you believe it. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/312 "2013-02-17T15:44:05Z")
I can almost agree with \*\*pchaos \*\*on this last bit. If no one had a belief in God or gods, then there would be no need for a word to describe that disbelief. “Atheism” is only a concept in comparison to “theism,” if theism were to die out, no one would bother describing themselves as an atheist. Now, because \*\*pchaos \*\*has demonstrated no ability to imagine or empathize with any other viewpoint, he sees this elimination of the concept of “atheism” as a triumph for God, rather than as a maturing of mankind past another set of myths. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/313 "2013-02-17T15:44:48Z")
Mind numbing stupidity. If he is an attorney, his court arguments must be embarassing to everyone who hears them. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/314 "2013-02-17T15:45:38Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > Without God there would be no atheists. Chesterton. > > The atheists on this Board have painted themselves into a corner. All they have is their disbelief in God or gods. So if you got rid of God or gods there is just disbelief and thus atheists would be gone. > > In order for atheism to maintain relevance they need to go beyond there’s no God. You win the thread. Just not in the way one normally would want to win a thread. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/315 "2013-02-17T15:45:50Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > In order for atheism to maintain relevance they need to go beyond there’s no God. > . I’m puzzled by your assumption that atheists seek to maintain “relevance.” Really, it’s not complicated. There are no gods. Atheists realize this. End of story. We’re not trying to accomplish anything (as a group). It’s as if there was a name for people who don’t believe the room disappears when the light is turned off. It doesn’t tell you anything about us except we don’t buy into a common myth. There are pro life atheists, pro choice atheists, smart atheist, not so smart atheists, liberals, apoliticals, etc., etc. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/316 "2013-02-17T15:45:57Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I know that even in The BBQ Pit there is a limit to how nasty we can get, but…In comparison to you, _ **lekatt** _ sounds coherent and logical. **lekatt** and **kanicbird** are, at the least, consistent with their overall viewpoints and fully accept that others don’t believe them. This guys the kind of wackadoo that gives those two pause. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/317 "2013-02-17T15:49:03Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This is so incredibly stupid I have trouble accepting that even you believe it. I can sort of see what he’s thinking: if NO ONE believes in the existence of god(s), then we wouldn’t have any need for a word to distinguish those who don’t. As we didn’t have a term for ‘analog’ watches until we invented digital ones. But he does have it backwards: it’s not the atheists who would disappear if we ‘got rid’ of gods, it’s that the theists would be gone. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/318 "2013-02-17T15:49:24Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > Without God there would be no atheists. Chesterton. > > The atheists on this Board have painted themselves into a corner. All they have is their disbelief in God or gods. So if you got rid of God or gods there is just disbelief and thus atheists would be gone. > > In order for atheism to maintain relevance they need to go beyond there’s no God. > > I’m a Christian, I have no real interest in creating a coherent philosophy for you. All I can just quickly survey the literature and say I don’t consider any of the “atheist” systems I’ve looked at sufficiently coherent. > > Also, I’ll agree with OP’s request that I will minimize any mention of my profession. I’ve met Christians - you are no such thing - You are not a lawyer - and if, by some chance, you have a license to practice law, cutting it off the back of a cheerios box does not a lawyer make. You are a troll, plain and simple - and not even a very good one of those - whats that tell you? ---
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/319 "2013-02-17T16:02:20Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I’m puzzled by your assumption that atheists seek to maintain “relevance.” Really, it’s not complicated. There are no gods. Atheists realize this. End of story. We’re not trying to accomplish anything (as a group). It’s as if there was a name for people who don’t believe the room disappears when the light is turned off. It doesn’t tell you anything about us except we don’t buy into a common myth. There are pro life atheists, pro choice atheists, smart atheist, not so smart atheists, liberals, apoliticals, etc., etc. You’re right…but that’s what some atheists don’t understand. When I begin to listen to an atheist’s argument, you need to assume that I already know that you do not believe in God. But for some reason I’m still listening…well, I’m waiting for the coherent philosophy that comes afterwards. If it doesn’t come, then I stop listening. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/320 "2013-02-17T16:11:59Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > You’re right…but that’s what some atheists don’t understand. > > When I begin to listen to an atheist’s argument, you need to assume that I already know that you do not believe in God. But for some reason I’m still listening…well, I’m waiting for the coherent philosophy that comes afterwards. If it doesn’t come, then I stop listening. There have been plenty of things said that you could have listened to and understood - you choose not to and then post this drivel. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Church musta let out early today, huh? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316.md?page=17)