# It is implausible that pchaos is a lawyer and he should stop claiming to be one **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316 "2013-02-14T20:34:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/341 "2013-02-17T19:44:11Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I’m puzzled by your assumption that atheists seek to maintain “relevance.” Really, it’s not complicated. There are no gods. Atheists realize this. End of story. We’re not trying to accomplish anything (as a group). It’s as if there was a name for people who don’t believe the room disappears when the light is turned off. It doesn’t tell you anything about us except we don’t buy into a common myth. There are pro life atheists, pro choice atheists, smart atheist, not so smart atheists, liberals, apoliticals, etc., etc. This is a valid position to take, but it’s likely that atheists will continue to be marginalized. ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/342 "2013-02-17T19:46:22Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > I’m simply complying with what OP requested. Complying to what? The OP said only to stop pretending to be a lawyer if you weren’t one. ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/343 "2013-02-17T19:49:15Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > This is a valid position to take, but it’s likely that atheists will continue to be marginalized. Marginalized mostly by ultra-conservatives who spend a whole life time making demons out of atheists and whose leaders have a self-interest in keeping you on the farm. They want sheep, not goats. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/344 "2013-02-17T19:58:46Z")
> [@simster](#): > > **lekatt** and **kanicbird** are, at the least, consistent with their overall viewpoints and fully accept that others don’t believe them. > > This guys the kind of wackadoo that gives those two pause. I like those guys. They are just nutty. Gives the place flavor. > [@pchaos](#): > > You’re right…but that’s what some atheists don’t understand. > > When I begin to listen to an atheist’s argument, you need to assume that I already know that you do not believe in God. But for some reason I’m still listening…well, I’m waiting for the coherent philosophy that comes afterwards. If it doesn’t come, then I stop listening. I have a coherent philosophy. To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/345 "2013-02-17T20:01:37Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > This is a valid position to take, but it’s likely that atheists will continue to be marginalized. I don’t feel marginalized one bit. It’s the Christians in this country that are under attack, or so I hear from Fox News. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/346 "2013-02-17T20:06:41Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > This is a valid position to take, but it’s likely that atheists will continue to be marginalized. By who? ‘Christians’ like you? I’m good with that. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/347 "2013-02-17T20:21:19Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > This is a valid position to take, but it’s likely that atheists will continue to be marginalized. How can you say that it is a valid position, yet at the same time continue to marginalize us,oh Lawyer-Who-Went-To-Cal-At-Berkeley-Became-A-Marxist-Yet-Never-Encountered-Any-Atheists-In-Eight-Years? By the way, what type of law do you practice? ---
**Author:** ![Canadjun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@Canadjun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Canadjun)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/348 "2013-02-17T20:45:02Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > This is a valid position to take, but it’s likely that atheists will continue to be marginalized. Marginalized in what way?! Another inane statement. ---
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/349 "2013-02-17T20:52:02Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I don’t feel marginalized one bit. It’s the Christians in this country that are under attack, or so I hear from Fox News. Pope Benedict resigning and the heavily publicized molestation cases against priests have not helped. Perhaps the Priests that did the initial molestation were simply sick individuals. But the Priests that covered up the investigations they are far worse in my opinion. They had an obligation to protect family and children that went to their church. It’s very hard to forgive this type of conduct. But the church I go to still has 4 masses on Sunday and a large and wealthy congregation. I’m sure you don’t feel marginalized. You are a mature individual that is sure in your values. In a way, I’m talking about political power and clout. When an atheist is treated in the same way and manner as blacks, latinos, and women are in CA, in my mind that is a worthy aspiration. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/350 "2013-02-17T20:58:56Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > Also, I’m a great believer that logic stands on it’s own merit. Of course, you define logic as “what most people believe”, which is the classic definition of [_Argumentum ad populum_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum) (Latin for “appeal to the people”), a well known _ **logical fallacy.** _ Pretty much sums up your entire posting history, here. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/351 "2013-02-17T21:01:33Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > In a way, I’m talking about political power and clout. When an atheist is treated in the same way and manner as blacks, latinos, and women are in CA, in my mind that is a worthy aspiration. I am quite certain that I’m treated better than “blacks, latinos, and women” in CA. Of course, many blacks, latinos and women" in CA are also atheists, so I’m not sure what that does to your argument. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/352 "2013-02-17T21:05:06Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > Has it occurred to you that I don’t particularly care what you think on that issue. I’m simply complying with what OP requested. > > Also, I’m a great believer that logic stands on it’s own merit. > > When I make an argument that gets a lot of responses, my inclination is to believe that I made a rational argument and people are responding because they are coming from different premises and want to draw a different conclusion than mine. I wasn’t particularly asking you, nor do I care whether you care what I think. You have put yourself forth as a lawyer, and there is some question as to whether that is true. It’s not unreasonable to ask for some verification, either from you or from others who claim that you are not a lawyer. I’m also not sure what this religious side argument has to do with anything. So, I’ll ask, “Are you licensed to practice law in your home state?” If you don’t want to answer, or say “Yes” then I would ask any other poster why he or she doesn’t believe you are licensed to practice law in your home state. It’s really a simple question. ---
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/353 "2013-02-17T21:08:33Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > Of course, you define logic as “what most people believe”, which is the classic definition of [_Argumentum ad populum_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum) (Latin for “appeal to the people”), a well known _ **logical fallacy.** _ Nope, I’m defining and using the word the way you do. But my definition really isn’t that crazy. It’s pretty much the way a Court decides a controversial issue. There’s the majority opinion and a minority opinion. Sometimes there are 3 types of opinions. And the amazing thing is the individual judges are looking at the same case law and statutes. ---
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/354 "2013-02-17T21:18:07Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > I’m also not sure what this religious side argument has to do with anything. So, I’ll ask, “Are you licensed to practice law in your home state?” If you don’t want to answer, or say “Yes” then I would ask any other poster why he or she doesn’t believe you are licensed to practice law in your home state. It’s really a simple question. The answer has already been given in this thread. And in an earlier thread I stated the state and probably even the law school. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/355 "2013-02-17T21:19:06Z")
pchaos, you may have missed this question, it’s hidden well in this discussion, so I can see how you may have missed it. Here it is again, are you ready? (Don’t look away!! Don’t skip to the next post!!) Are you a lawyer? ---
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/356 "2013-02-17T21:25:18Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > The answer has already been given in this thread. And in an earlier thread I stated the state and probably even the law school. Boalt Hall? This truly performance art. ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/357 "2013-02-17T21:26:26Z")
Dear **pchaos** what is ur stance on having ur bum touched? my gf wants 2 but i rather dont care 4 it beacause it feel like bumbsecs. i wonder wot is ur legal onipinon. i dont have 2 muhc money but i am a club dj, i can pay u in event discounts i am currently reside in bristol uk if that helps? thanx! ---
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/358 "2013-02-17T21:49:26Z")
> [@Robb](#): > > Boalt Hall? This truly performance art. The scariest part of the profession is you really don’t have to be that good to make a lot of money. But you do have to have the right clients. If you don’t have the right clients, it doesn’t matter how good your legal skills are you might end up just scrapping by. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/359 "2013-02-17T21:54:51Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > The answer has already been given in this thread. And in an earlier thread I stated the state and probably even the law school. Fair enough. Do his accusers wish to step forth with counter information? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/360 "2013-02-17T22:14:45Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > Fair enough. Do his accusers wish to step forth with counter information? His posts are my cite. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316.md?page=19)