# It is implausible that pchaos is a lawyer and he should stop claiming to be one **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316 "2013-02-14T20:34:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/541 "2013-02-19T14:24:29Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > And you keep being told that we do not claim (unlike religions) to have “truth”. We merely don’t believe that you have any “truth”, either. Atheism isn’t a positive claim, it’s merely a non-acceptance of _your_ claim. You keep trying to make “atheism” into a “religion” to compete with yours. It isn’t, and _can’t be_ such. > > This demonstrates you to be an idiot. The other implication he keeps making there is that atheists are not ethical people. He refused to define what he meant by “truth” in that context as well. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/542 "2013-02-19T14:39:04Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > I will just put it down to value differences in the end. I can entirely understand that no one should call a personal number. I also, indicentally, don’t think anyone should be outing irl identies (alleged or otherwise) of fellow sdmb posters, and I’m amazed you’ve allowed that and no one has complained. But if that’s to be done like it was by mr melon I see no real harm in making contact in the work sphere of people who claim to be doing said work, especially when there’s a direct line… > [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > Ah, I finally get the point. If you look at clockworkmelon’s links, you can see that if pchaos is who melon says he is, then pchaos’s username is basically his real name (i.e. p. chao), and thus it’s obvious who he is. > > Now like I said, I thought it was crazy that melon was being allowed to link to that. But since he was, I figured it was ok. I don’t see how you can call me creepy for clicking on links in a thread and assuming other posters have read the bloody things! Maybe you were the only one who read the links. I certainly didn’t read them. If you “thought it was crazy,” you should have reported your concerns to the moderators and let them handle it. That’s what I would have done. And even if someone voluntarily exposes his or her real identity, it’s still creepy to use that information to contact that person in the real world uninvited. On this board we have created a community for discussion that by default is separate from our personal and business lives. You should take a step into “real” contact only when you are specifically invited to do so. I come here to engage in discussions and expect them to stay here unless I decide otherwise in advance. I don’t expect to be called to account for what I say here anywhere else except here. And if I decline to engage or respond, then that should be accepted, without someone chasing me down. Frankly, I’m more upset by what you have done to pchaos than the trolling that pchaos is done. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/543 "2013-02-19T14:45:14Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > Why do you throw rocks at a man’s heart and his soul? > > See, you guys just want to tear down and the theists get that. That’s why they ignore you. > > How about doing the hard work of building something new. If not God, then the mind. Is that all you have to offer? How about YOU do the hard work of building something new? You said you’re too busy to come up with your own philosophy, so you cherry picked from the New Testament, and you’re slamming atheists for not doing something you’re too lazy to do yourself? While ignoring all the examples you’ve been given of atheists with their own philosophies, which they’ve come up with themselves, because there is no singular atheist philosophy? Jeebus Christ, your whole argument boils down to “I know you are but what am I?” No wonder you suck as a lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/544 "2013-02-19T14:46:43Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > So where do false – but appealing – religions fit into your framework? How do you figure they stack up against the beliefs of equally sincere atheists? Really, the only proper test is time and size. A true religion and in my mind it is possible to have more than one because it is possible to have parts of truth instead of all of it. The religion must survive and prosper and it must grow in time. If a religion merely has a charismatic leader, then the religion would only be truly tested when the leader is gone. Atheism if it had the truth would have grown, instead what has happened is that they still have nothing to offer and they are proud of it. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/545 "2013-02-19T14:58:26Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Frankly, I’m more upset by what you have done to pchaos than the trolling that pchaos is done. Ideally every poster on here could claim to be a brain surgeon and we all ought to honor those claims as the gospel truth until or unless one recommends home brain surgery via hand-cranked auger. Maybe you missed the repeated posts wherein **pchaos** claimed to be a lawyer. He even offered free (bad) legal advice in a very touchy discussion about child pornography/pedophilia. His grasp on logic, research, grammar, and debate is nil, which caused several people to question his vocation. By making preposterous claims about his profession and assigning his online persona his real name he unfortunately offers himself up for vetting. It’s totally classless to go after him, but it’s unsurprising considering the level of trolling and shit-stirring this guy is responsible for. The other lawyers on this board provide a valuable resource when they offer cites, direct readers to research, and argue coherently. I appreciate having their trustworthy input on this board in the same way I appreciate the scientists, statisticians, healthcare workers, etc. I’d like to continue to have access to these valuable human resources and I don’t appreciate this guy muddying an entire hard-won profession because he’s bored and lonely. Not saying he had it coming; but I am saying that he’s getting precisely the level of attention he’s trolling for. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/546 "2013-02-19T15:00:44Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > Really, the only proper test is time and size. A true religion and in my mind it is possible to have more than one because it is possible to have parts of truth instead of all of it. > > The religion must survive and prosper and it must grow in time. > > If a religion merely has a charismatic leader, then the religion would only be truly tested when the leader is gone. > > Atheism if it had the truth would have grown, instead what has happened is that they still have nothing to offer and they are proud of it. Fallacy here - beyond the fact you keep repeating the same old crap - Is that ‘evil’ religions can easily stomp out the beginnings of a new truth - or subvert it to thier own gain - such that this test of 'longevity and size" is not conclusive. IOW - you accept it as the ‘one true religion’ as a logical fallacy to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/547 "2013-02-19T15:01:30Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > Really, the only proper test is time and size. A true religion and in my mind it is possible to have more than one because it is possible to have parts of truth instead of all of it. > > The religion must survive and prosper and it must grow in time. > > If a religion merely has a charismatic leader, then the religion would only be truly tested when the leader is gone. > > Atheism if it had the truth would have grown, instead what has happened is that they still have nothing to offer and they are proud of it. So, growth is a sign that a belief system is thriving, huh? Okaaaaaaay… [Read this.](http://www.alternet.org/story/150900/good_without_god:_why_%22non-religious%22_is_the_fastest-growing_preference_in_america) Then go ahead and ignore it, and keep talking about how atheists aren’t doing anything, because the truth is not convenient to your world view. I know we’ve struck a nerve, because you keep talking and talking, but not responding to arguments that actually refute your statements. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/548 "2013-02-19T15:03:22Z")
Goodness but **pchaos** is dumb. There is a bit of trolling involved for sure, but there’s no way in heaven or hell any troll can fake stupidity of this level for so long. What percentage of his posts are simple trolling vs massive stupidity is a debate for others. It’s too banal for me. ETA: And I see he’s brought his miniscule intellect to the concept of marriage in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=682869). Same MO. Some hints of trolling and massive amounts of the vapid and stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/549 "2013-02-19T15:06:43Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > :eek: > > From UC Berkeley Law School (aka Boalt Hall)'s page on [[http://www.law.berkeley.edu/41.htm](http://www.law.berkeley.edu/41.htm)]Preparing to Apply: > > & > > If pchaos is correct as to attending and graduating from that institution, then the institution itself failed in their stated objective in the first quote. As for the recommendation in the second quote, facts in evidence here indicate pchaos did not act on the recommendation. > > Is that a fair summary, **Robb**? Yes, pchaos isn’t acting like someone who entered or attended a highly competitive law school. He is reminding me of professionals who suffered career setbacks due to substance abuse, mental illness, or traumatic brain injury. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/550 "2013-02-19T15:11:04Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > Really, the only proper test is time and size. A true religion and in my mind it is possible to have more than one because it is possible to have parts of truth instead of all of it. > > The religion must survive and prosper and it must grow in time. > > If a religion merely has a charismatic leader, then the religion would only be truly tested when the leader is gone. > > Atheism if it had the truth would have grown, instead what has happened is that they still have nothing to offer and they are proud of it. Do you actually believe that truth is a popularity contest, that it can be voted into existence? ---
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/551 "2013-02-19T15:13:55Z")
You mean, I’m not stuck up enough. That’s true I’m not like a number of atheists on this Board who are stuck up enough. I attribute this to a more realistic view of life. At one time I was more stuck up. At the age of 28 I was already teaching Public International Law. But I didn’t want that kind of life. I didn’t want to be stuck in some State Department law library in D.C., I wasn’t interested. Besides I still didn’t know what 5% of the words were. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/552 "2013-02-19T15:14:38Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > If an ethical man had the truth they would share it with their fellow man. Are you admitting that god isn’t ethical, then? We went around and around for pages about the god’s refusal to explain what he’s doing and why he’s doing it. > [@](#): > > Atheists are even proud that they have nothing to offer. They have nothing that resembles the truth. All they can do is throw rocks at the works of theists. [Lazy trolling.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=682867) > [@pchaos](#): > > Why do you throw rocks at a man’s heart and his soul? I’ll say this for you: if you’re not a troll, you have a lot of nerve. You’ve been dismissing and misunderstanding atheists for 500 posts and when you get frustrated you resort to the kind of deliberate bullshit I just linked to, and then when they get tired of it and tell you what they think of your behavior you whine that they’re throwing stones at _your very heart and soul_? On behalf of the Internet, I’d like to say “WAAAAAAH!!” > [@pchaos](#): > > The religion must survive and prosper and it must grow in time. You forgot “murder nonbelievers, steal their stuff, and rape their women.” That’s been part of the path to success for a lot of religions and it’s pretty important. > [@](#): > > Atheism if it had the truth would have grown, instead what has happened is that they still have nothing to offer and they are proud of it. [You said something without even Googling it first.](http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-08-13/national/35491519_1_new-atheism-atheist-groups-new-atheists) What a shock. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/553 "2013-02-19T15:15:36Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > I didn’t want to be stuck in some State Department law library in D.C., I wasn’t interested. Yes, who wants a life of accomplishment and world travel? That’s for nerds. > [@](#): > > Besides I still didn’t know what 5% of the words were. I assume this was supposed to be “50%.” ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/554 "2013-02-19T15:17:08Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Yes, who wants a life of accomplishment and world travel? That’s for nerds. > > I assume this was supposed to be “50%.” I assumed _9_5% ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/555 "2013-02-19T15:20:19Z")
I’m a theist, but after this thread, I may never call myself that again. _pchaos_, if there’s _any_ chance you’re serious about your “beliefs”\*, you’d do your case more good by just shutting up. \*[sigh] \*Look, I know your mom said you could be on our team, but we already have a deep right fielder. Here’s a dollar-- go get a root beer and sit in the stands. - _I put that in quotes because they are not shared by any rational theists, nor any compassionate people of any creed._ ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/556 "2013-02-19T15:21:06Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Yes, who wants a life of accomplishment and world travel? That’s for nerds. > > I assume this was supposed to be “50%.” And I assumed it meant that he had yet to reach 5%. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/557 "2013-02-19T15:26:26Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Yes, who wants a life of accomplishment and world travel? That’s for nerds. > > I assume this was supposed to be “50%.” I thought it was 95% ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/558 "2013-02-19T15:30:32Z")
> [@BottledBlondJeanie](#): > > As for the lawyer claim, at most I’ll give him the attribution of ignorant law school student-nowhere close to RNATB or jtgain despite my disagreements with the latter. Do you mean he’s nowhere close to as ignorant as us? 😃 > [@Acsenray](#): > > The taboo is being tracked and contacted uninvited from a forum where you use a pseudonym and don’t volunteer real identification or real life contact information. It’s fucking creepy as hell. It \*is \*creepy, but I would have thought that he’d know better. Your name and contact information are easily searchable, so if you don’t want to be found: (1) don’t tell people you’re a lawyer, or (2) don’t use such a blindingly obvious handle. ---
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/559 "2013-02-19T15:42:17Z")
> [@](#): > > It \*is \*creepy, but I would have thought that he’d know better. Your name and contact information are easily searchable, so if you don’t want to be found: (1) don’t tell people you’re a lawyer, or (2) don’t use such a blindingly obvious handle. I doubt the person you found is me. If you find me, you will find that my stated achievements are even better than what I’ve stated. The atheists on this board will never achieve half of what I’ve achieved in my lifetime. And as far as I’m concerned my second career will even be better. It’s a good thing the atheists don’t offer anything, they can’t even decide on a restaurant to go to. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/560 "2013-02-19T15:44:41Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Do you mean he’s nowhere close to as ignorant as us? 😃 > > It \*is \*creepy, but I would have thought that he’d know better. Your name and contact information are easily searchable, so if you don’t want to be found: (1) don’t tell people you’re a lawyer, or (2) don’t use such a blindingly obvious handle. I think I disagree, [so I’ve startd a thread in About This Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=682879) on this topic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316.md?page=29)