# It is implausible that pchaos is a lawyer and he should stop claiming to be one **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316 "2013-02-14T20:34:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/61 "2013-02-15T13:07:43Z")
Wait, did I type that out loud? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/62 "2013-02-15T13:08:37Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Jesus Christ, pretty soon they’ll find out I’m not a panda. It’s okay, but we will be very disappointed if we find that you are not a Sith. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/63 "2013-02-15T13:13:13Z")
I AM a Pundit, and a sage, and I think: a) If you nurture bad behavior, don’t be surprised if it continues. Said more succinctly: Don’t feed the trolls! b) If you act on legal advice given to you on a free message board, you are an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/64 "2013-02-15T13:26:08Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > b) If you act on legal advice given to you on a free message board, you are an idiot. Your slanderous utterings SHALL NOT STAND!! You will be hearing from my solicitors. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/65 "2013-02-15T13:38:55Z")
Hell, I’m crazy as a shit-house rat, so I’m good to go. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/66 "2013-02-15T14:30:14Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > As long as everyone is in a confessional mood, I dropped out of college after a year and a half And you will tell me it wasn’t even Miskatonic! ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/67 "2013-02-15T14:31:54Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > I admit it, I’m not a Ducca. But do you quacka like one? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/68 "2013-02-15T14:33:19Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > And you will tell me it wasn’t even Miskatonic! I have been known to tell untruths on teh Internet. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/69 "2013-02-15T14:44:43Z")
I however, AM a monster with the head of a Lion, the middle part of a Goat and the backside of a Dragon. I do not have three heads. That was false representation. ---
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/70 "2013-02-15T14:45:34Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > At least he doesn’t come right out and say atheists are tools of Satan. Nah, I don’t, but I do believe that atheists live in a very boring world. And they have no idea why they are marginalized by the public. ---
**Author:** ![lost4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@lost4life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lost4life)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/71 "2013-02-15T14:49:03Z")
While I may actually be lost, the time frame may be somewhat of an exaggeration. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/72 "2013-02-15T14:51:56Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > That Beryl Mooncalf thread leads me to a question and no real need to start a new thread - could someone explain to me why it is that you cannot try someone for a lesser included offence? > > It seems to me that if offence X includes A, B, and C > > while offence Y includes B and C > > then if one is guilty of offence X one is obviously guilty of offence Y (although I appreciate it would violate double jepordy to be done for Y as well). However, if you are found not guilty of offence X, without further information as to why you were found not guilty, surely you could be guilty of offence Y - specifically, that would be in a case where the jury found that B and C were proved, but A wasn’t. So why is it a breach of double jepoardy to try someone for Y if they were found not guilty of X? Is it just to stop prosecutors from whacking everyone with the most serious offence they can think of and then retrying again and again with slightly-lesser included offences if found not guilty? And if that is the reason, then wouldn’t that just be covered by abuse of process anyway? I would also like an answer to this question but didn’t think it was worth starting another thread (or resurrecting a 10 year-old zombie) to do so. Also not worth a separate thread: I think the paedo-suicide thread is pure troll. If it isn’t, I can only apologise to the OP of that thread, but the way it is all worded looks very fishy to me. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/73 "2013-02-15T14:53:16Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > Nah, I don’t, but I do believe that atheists live in a very boring world. I believe morons live in a boring world. You guys should live it up with the rest of us. Brains are sexy. I changed my mind on the senile dementia. Just stupid. Too cogent to be senile. Not cogent enough to be of ape intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/74 "2013-02-15T15:06:09Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > I believe morons live in a boring world. You guys should live it up with the rest of us. Brains are sexy. > > I changed my mind on the senile dementia. Just stupid. > > Too cogent to be senile. Not cogent enough to be of ape intelligence. You and Human Action are so different, but in a warped way I think of both of you as friends. The rest of you can just… ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/75 "2013-02-15T15:09:20Z")
So what’s the scoop, **pchaos**? Are you a lawyer? ---
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/76 "2013-02-15T15:13:48Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > So what’s the scoop, **pchaos**? Are you a lawyer? That’s like asking Human Action whether he’s human…yeah I am, but I really regret saying it. An attorney friend of mine was absolutely right, being an attorney can be a huuuge plus or a huuuuuge minus. The public has such strong feelings about the profession. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/77 "2013-02-15T15:16:40Z")
You’re the one who brought it up the first time - trying to score some instant credibility? That’s pathetic beyond words. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/78 "2013-02-15T15:19:10Z")
> [@](#): > > What do they call the guy who graduates last in his medical school class? Doesn’t work here. The worst graduate in a law school class fails the bar exam. > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Maybe we need \*\*Bricker \*\*to quiz him on Mopery and Dopery? > [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Who was the ‘lawyer’ that failed that little test a few years back? > [@Frank](#): > > **Beryl Mooncalf** , if memory serves. > [It does.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=211820) I don’t think **pchaos** ever identified himself as being a practitioner in any specific field. The mopery/dopery test identifies a practicing criminal lawyer, rather than a practicing lawyer generally. Most attorneys in civil practice couldn’t tell you anything about lesser included offenses beyond manslaughter and second degree murder being LIOs of first degree murder. > [@Bricker](#): > > Great memories! > > I was thinking about that old thread the other day as i was watching _Downton Abbey_ - a plot device in that show relates to an estate of inheritance in real property which cannot be alienated by the owner but must be passed on to the next heir – an entail. And this made me think of the Rule Against Perpetuities and the Rule in Shelley’s Case and I remembered good old crazy Beryl’s lame attempt at a rebuttal. You’ll no doubt be horrified to hear that the RAP is no longer even being taught (since it has largely been supplanted by statute). There was a chapter on it in our 2009-edition casebook but we skipped it. Of course, being a Doper, I read it anyway, and immediately regretted it. Now I’m trying to think of an area from which you could draw a version of the mopery/dopery test that would work for criminal and civil practitioners. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/79 "2013-02-15T15:21:42Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > That’s like asking Human Action whether he’s human…yeah I am, but I really regret saying it. An attorney friend of mine was absolutely right, being an attorney can be a huuuge plus or a huuuuuge minus. The public has such strong feelings about the profession. We have no problem with lawyers here-we have quite a few. Our problem is the how you cast a bad light on the profession. But like everything else, you’ve already been told this many times. Assuming you’re just another Christian troll that thinks that word games and lying are o.k. when done in The Name Of The Lord, I’ve just got to ask you this: What are you going to tell God when he asks you “Why did you drive so many people away from Me?” ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/80 "2013-02-15T15:22:23Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > Nah, I don’t, but I do believe that atheists live in a very boring world. And they have no idea why they are marginalized by the public. From the thread about married people not having children: > [@I've Been Happily Married, No Children.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ive-been-happily-married-no-children/650346/56): > > I’ve been making up hypothetical situations too long, it’s almost a second nature. I was just commenting on why the public doesn’t take atheists seriously…they are just too busy. From the now closed Atheist Churches thread: > [@](#): > > Gals and Guys, > > You win…listless and apathetic is the way to go. So. Which is it, are we boring, terribly busy, or listless and apathetic? Kinda hard to be all three. And the public does take us seriously, or have you not noticed how darned \*afraid \*conservative Christians seem to be of us? You don’t tend to be afraid of things you don’t take seriously. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316.md?page=5)