# It is implausible that pchaos is a lawyer and he should stop claiming to be one **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316 "2013-02-14T20:34:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/141 "2013-02-15T18:27:56Z")
I’ll admit, I’m really more of a **ms. elizabeth** these days ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/142 "2013-02-15T18:29:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by pchaos View Post > I’m just a practical guy, if atheism doesn’t help me to improve my life it isn’t worth dwelling on. **pchaos**? Help me out here. Was someone asking you, specifically, to become an atheist? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/143 "2013-02-15T18:44:42Z")
> [@Banana\_Pancake\_Flipper](#): > > No, the problem is people who actually believe they’re getting legitimate legal advice from an anonymous internet message board. > > You want legal advice? Go to a lawyer. You want a hack (or twelve) pretneding to be a lawyer? Ask your question on this forum. [The onus is on the lawyer to avoid giving the impression that he is giving legal advice](http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1060&context=dlj&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Donline%2520legal%2520advice%2520bar%2520liability%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D3%26ved%3D0CFgQFjAC%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fscholarship.law.duke.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D1060%2526context%253Ddlj%26ei%3DlIEeUer3CpL69gTv4IHgDQ%26usg%3DAFQjCNFevm2IDhh0ADQzPdLH9iN5G-rFfA%26bvm%3Dbv.42553238%2Cd.eWU#search=%22online%20legal%20advice%20bar%20liability%22). Knowing the law better is kind of the whole point of the profession. ---
**Author:** ![pchaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/258eb7/32.png) [@pchaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pchaos)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/144 "2013-02-15T19:02:39Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > **pchaos**? Help me out here. Was someone asking you, specifically, to become an atheist? No. But I was seeking information on atheism to see if aspects of it could improve my life. All I found is there’s nothing here. Actually, I did find something…a group of people that is as arrogant as any group of attorneys I’ve dealt with. By the way, that’s not a compliment. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/145 "2013-02-15T19:10:07Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > No. But I was seeking information on atheism to see if aspects of it could improve my life. All I found is there’s nothing here. > > Actually, I did find something…a group of people that is as arrogant as any group of attorneys I’ve dealt with. By the way, that’s not a compliment. I have no doubt that any real attorneys that encountered you would soon find you as distasteful as we now do. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/146 "2013-02-15T19:10:45Z")
Learning how to think and reason properly would improve your life. Nobody gives a shit if you’re an atheist, and I think many of the atheists here shudder at the thought of having you on their side. There would be a lot of “not all of us are like that moron **pchaos**!” just as there are with some other posters here. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/147 "2013-02-15T19:11:25Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Correct, and have never claimed to be such. I’m a helluva good cook, though. I have no doubt. I just remembered that you brought it up recently. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/148 "2013-02-15T19:12:35Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > …By the way, that’s not a compliment. Well, duh. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/149 "2013-02-15T19:13:01Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Well, that’s logic for ya. > > I don’t buy the German Shepherd bit, either. > > Thinking on it, I guess he could be even more Deceptive by only Deceiving part time and telling the truth when it could lead to further Deception later. That’s some deep thinking on his handle. That’s the first time deep thinking and my handle have ever been mention in the same sentence. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/150 "2013-02-15T19:13:26Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > No. But I was seeking information on atheism to see if aspects of it could improve my life. All I found is there’s nothing here. > > Actually, I did find something…a group of people that is as arrogant as any group of attorneys I’ve dealt with. By the way, that’s not a compliment. That’s a SDMB thing, not an atheist thing. In case you missed it back in the Atheist Churches thread, by my estimation at good 70% of the folks questioning your reasoning abilities were theists of some faith or another. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/151 "2013-02-15T19:22:33Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > No. But I was seeking information on atheism to see if aspects of it could improve my life. All I found is there’s nothing here. > > Actually, I did find something…a group of people that is as arrogant as any group of attorneys I’ve dealt with. By the way, that’s not a compliment. Don’t let the door hit you on your way out - ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/152 "2013-02-15T19:47:31Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > Actually, I did find something…a group of people that is as arrogant as any group of attorneys I’ve dealt with. By the way, that’s not a compliment. As a defendant, I assume, since there is no chance you are an attorney (or married for 25 years childlessly without ever considering the pros and cons of children, for that matter). You gave “advice” so incredibly misleading and unethical it was basically malicious. Why would you want to hurt someone who’s done nothing to you? Does god tell you to smite your foes during your fireside chats, or are you just an asshole? ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/153 "2013-02-15T19:50:05Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > That Beryl Mooncalf thread leads me to a question and no real need to start a new thread - could someone explain to me why it is that you cannot try someone for a lesser included offence? > > It seems to me that if offence X includes A, B, and C > > while offence Y includes B and C IANAL but you’ve got it backwards. If you’re acquitted of Y, you can’t be retried for X. The “lesser” law has more elements. A law that prohibits driving is a more general and “greater” law than you can’t drive a white car after dark. > [@pchaos](#): > > No. But I was seeking information on atheism to see if aspects of it could improve my life. All I found is there’s nothing here. > > Actually, I did find something…a group of people that is as arrogant as any group of attorneys I’ve dealt with. By the way, that’s not a compliment. And in that group of online posters you also found a group of attorneys that called you out on your BS. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/154 "2013-02-15T20:06:46Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > If I believed in God, I’d feel bad he has to listen to you all the time. I’ve only had to listen to your bullshit for a couple of weeks and I can’t imagine a lifetime or an eternity of absorbing that kind of stupidity. The real reason God no longer appears in person like he did in the Old Testament: He’s curled up in a semi-catatonic ball under his desk in Heaven with his hands over his ears, muttering “shut up…shut up…I can’t _heeaaar yooou!_..go away…” ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/155 "2013-02-15T20:13:27Z")
The church had to have done a number on pchaos much earlier on. They have to be proud of their work. I bet each of the elders and deacons can’t ever recall in their lifetime where they have seen this level of stupidity. The bar has been raised. After giving out handshakes, and atta-boys, patting each other on the back, they realize pchaos is going to be a lifer, and they can count on him never getting out. If he ever did realize his level of stupidity, he’d lose the will to live. He really is too stupid to be embarrassed by anything he has written or the lies he has told. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/156 "2013-02-15T20:15:33Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > If you’re acquitted of Y, you can’t be retried for X. The “lesser” law has more elements. A law that prohibits driving is a more general and “greater” law than you can’t drive a white car after dark. Think of it this way. Say that “breaking and entering” is defined under the state criminal code as: 1. Entering a private building 2. That is not open to the public 3. Without authorization of the owner or his agent 4. By disabling, breaking, or disengaging doors, locks, or other means of preventing entry. And say that “burglary” is defined as: 1. Entering a private building 2. That is not open to the public 3. Without authorization of the owner or his agent 4. By disabling, breaking, or disengaging doors, locks, or other means of preventing entry 5. And removing without authorization any personal property located therein. The two crimes are identical, except that burglary has an additional element. Thus, breaking and entering is a lesser included charge of burglary. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/157 "2013-02-15T20:15:58Z")
I still think he did too much lds back at berkley… part of the free speech movement and all. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/158 "2013-02-15T20:19:06Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Think of it this way. > > Say that “breaking and entering” is defined under the state criminal code as: > > 1. Entering a private building > 2. That is not open to the public > 3. Without authorization of the owner or his agent > 4. By disabling, breaking, or disengaging doors, locks, or other means of preventing entry. > > And say that “burglary” is defined as: > > 1. Entering a private building > 2. That is not open to the public > 3. Without authorization of the owner or his agent > 4. By disabling, breaking, or disengaging doors, locks, or other means of preventing entry > 5. And removing without authorization any personal property located therein. > > The two crimes are identical, except that burglary has an additional element. Thus, breaking and entering is a lesser included charge of burglary. so - at the risk of learning something in a pchaos thread - if he is found not guilty of b&e - he cannot be found guilty of burglary? if he is found not guilty of burglary, he can still be found guilty of b&e, but only in the same trial? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/159 "2013-02-15T20:22:04Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I still think he did too much \*\*lds \*\*back at berkley… part of the free speech movement and all. Wait, you think he’s a Mormon? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316/160 "2013-02-15T20:25:33Z")
> [@simster](#): > > so - at the risk of learning something in a pchaos thread - > > if he is found not guilty of b&e - he cannot be found guilty of burglary? > if he is found not guilty of burglary, he can still be found guilty of b&e, but only in the same trial? Right, and he can’t be punished separately for both burglary and breaking and entering. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-implausible-that-pchaos-is-a-lawyer-and-he-should-stop-claiming-to-be-one/650316.md?page=9)