# It is right and proper to want Israel categorically out of US politics **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 5, 2026, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466 "2026-11-05T06:14:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2026, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/21 "2026-11-05T23:54:38Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Let’s remember that the country was founded as a refuge for victims of genocide. A Jewish homeland, yes, also that of course. But today, the victims of genocide are the Palestinians- you might have heard of them, they lived in Israel before it was Israel. I favor a one-state solution- Palestine. I expect many Israelis would simply stay put and go along to get along Or the Islamist government of your one state might strip them of citizenship and put them in camps. Fighting genocide with genocide is not a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan\_myers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@aruvqan\_myers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan_myers)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/23 "2026-11-06T01:01:31Z")
To be blunt, for a couple decades when I say that ‘Any country that can not run with out significant money coming from other countries rather than from their own goods and services does not deserve to be a country’, and more than once I mentioned Israel was effectively an American colony without the title I get roasted [for pointing out the truth. 3.3 BILLION bucks … so they can attack Palestine or other countries in the area] ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/24 "2026-11-06T03:13:44Z")
> [@aruvqan\_myers](#): > > for pointing out the truth. 3.3 BILLION bucks … so they can attack Palestine or other countries in the area Israel’s annual military budget is $48 billion. The idea that Israel is some American proxy state that would immediately collapse (or be unable to defend itself or make war on Palestine) without American funding is silly. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan\_myers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@aruvqan\_myers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan_myers)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/25 "2026-11-06T14:38:35Z")
Good, so that is 3.3 billion we can pump into social network - fund some medical care for people without . ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/26 "2026-11-06T14:55:30Z")
First of all, do you _really_ think that the three billion America provides to Israel might instead be spent on medical care for the poor? That ain’t happening. Second, as I understand it, the money America provides to Israel is largely spent in America on military equipment, so the money actually supports domestic jobs. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/27 "2026-11-06T14:57:39Z")
An awful lot of our “foreign aid” is actually corporate welfare. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/28 "2026-11-06T15:03:39Z")
That’s true. Even much of the money we _used_ to spend on the United States Agency for International Development went to buying agricultural products to ship overseas. Things like bags of wheat or rice with US AID and the American flag on them, given out to poor people in other parts of the world. I think that’s a more effective way of winning hearts and minds than sending soldiers overseas to shoot people, but what do I know? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/29 "2026-11-06T15:09:44Z")
This has been bothering me since the recently departed was harping on “the Jews stole my bananas”. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > First of all, do you _really_ think that the three billion America provides to Israel might instead be spent on medical care for the poor? No. I think, in addition to wanting to end a (somewhat?) unpopular bit of foreign aid, they’re calling the Republicans/conservatives bluff on the constantly complained about foreign aid they keep saying would be better spent at home. IOW, _Here’s your chance to put action to your words_. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > An awful lot of our “foreign aid” is actually corporate welfare. I would be nice to force Republicans to admit that those DOGE cuts hurt Americans too. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/30 "2026-11-06T15:10:09Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > That’s true. Even much of the money we _used_ to spend on the United States Agency for International Development went to buying agricultural products to ship overseas. Things like bags of wheat or rice with US AID and the American flag on them, given out to poor people in other parts of the world. Very true, it was money well spent both for supporting domestic industries, for the diplomatic impacts abroad, and of course from the simple fact that it provided humanitarian assistance to a lot of people. Or, for another perspective… > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I think that’s a more effective way of winning hearts and minds than sending soldiers overseas to shoot people, but what do I know? USAID was just American imperialist soft power as part of American colonialist ambition! /s [https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-left-didnt-always-love-usaid-us-agency-for-international-development-c7888341](https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-left-didnt-always-love-usaid-us-agency-for-international-development-c7888341) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/31 "2026-11-06T15:16:28Z")
That the CIA used USAID type programs to get CIA operatives “in country” to do CIA things historically should have given Republicans pause about the DOGE cuts… but the idea that someone somewhere was getting something they didn’t pay for trumped (hehe) that. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/32 "2026-11-06T15:17:27Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > > > First of all, do you _really_ think that the three billion America provides to Israel might instead be spent on medical care for the poor? > > No. I think, in addition to wanting to end a (somewhat?) unpopular bit of foreign aid, they’re calling the Republicans/conservatives bluff on the constantly complained about foreign aid they keep saying would be better spent at home. > IOW, _Here’s your chance to put action to your words_. Good news, then. President Trump announced the other day that he and Netanyahu agreed the other day to stop sending the money to Israel. From [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-says-us-will-stop-paying-israel-after-year-end-2026-11-03/) > “Now, as far as paying Israel, Bibi Netanyahu and ​I have made a deal that we give Israel $4 billion a year, and we made a deal months ago that we’re stopping,” Trump said. “We’ve already agreed that by the end of this year we won’t be paying Israel. Now we’ll help Israel if they need ​it,” he added. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/33 "2026-11-06T15:19:09Z")
Yaaa! Time to ~~spend money at home~~ cut taxes some more. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/34 "2026-11-06T15:34:21Z")
Does anyone have a more credible source than Trump’s mouth on that? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/35 "2026-11-06T19:40:10Z")
If you can’t trust Trump’s own mouth, whose mouth can you trust? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/36 "2026-11-06T19:41:39Z")
I would trust my own assh… (remembers forum) nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/37 "2026-11-06T21:32:51Z")
Why is nobody asking whether we should cut the Arab countries categorically out of U.S. politics? After all, although figures are hard to gather, it appears that far more military aid goes to them collectively than to Israel. The U.S. has - or had before Iran bombed them - bases all over the Middle East. The governments make billion dollar deals with second generation Trumps and give Trump golden gifts. I do not support Netanyahu any more than I support Trump and I categorically denounce what has happened in Gaza, whatever name you call it.\* But we’re talking politics here. The Arab countries are transactional allies, not our friends. In a sane world renewables and nuclear would have cut their strategic importance to a trifle, and this may yet happen. The endless wars among entrenched rebel and terrorist forces have created a sinkhole that Trump supposedly was against before both Israeli and Middle East leaders started bribing him with money and flattery. Not can Israel’s unmatched intelligence forces be discarded lightly when the U.S. has real enemies. Oh yeah, those countries want to drive Israel into the sea, a closer repository than where the OP wants to relocate them. AIPAC is a tiny symptom of a much larger problem. In a fast changing world with real transnational problems, the U.S. cannot be the sole superpower police force nor can it turn its back on other countries. A real leader would set a course based on both short-term and long-term interests and involve all parties. Neither course puts Israel singularly out of our politics. That’s a temper tantrum, not policy. \* I also believe American Islamophobia is as serious a bigotry as antisemitism. Picking and choosing acceptable bigotries does not belong in America. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2026, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/38 "2026-11-07T14:27:00Z")
Dewey, a military defeat is not a genocide. Look at what the world did to the Germans in WWII. Look at what we did to the Japanese. It was awful, it was destructive, it was death on a mass scale. I don’t recall anybody calling it genocide. Israel OTOH is systematically exterminating their neighbors, especially in Gaza. It is hard to frame as a military campaign, even resorting to the kinds of rules of engagement that emerged during WWII. Who is even shooting back in Gaza? What military targets still exist there? Israel is currently fighting what, either six or seven wars right now. More importantly, they are doing it on My Dime via taxpayer funded military assistance and aid, which makes it My Business. Most important of all, they dragged us into a pointless conflict with Iran, via means and circumstances which I consider an act of war in itself- maybe a topic best left for its own thread. The bottom line is that military defeat is not genocide, especially in these circumstances. There is no “right to win” in war- once the shooting starts, nobody knows where it ends. In this case, let’s remember that it is the nation of Israel at war and at issue, not “the Jews”. War is a matter of international context and politics, not racial or religious identity, as much as those things may factor in. Resort to skullduggery to drag my country into a war that even the least informed, most propagandized citizens didn’t want and yeah, I will want them to lose. Defeat in this region and context would be pretty ugly, and hightailing it out of there to someplace safer would be better than everybody getting killed, if it comes to that. It’s not the eradication of “the Jews” that I want, it is the defeat of this warmongering, genocidal nation and, barring that, removal from my country’s politics. Note that what I am describing here are simply Israeli goals and logic, applied differently. A one state solution, only Palestine. Military defeat, only of Israel. Isn’t one of the hallmarks of discrimination “double standards”? Isn’t that exactly what you’re resorting to? ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2026, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/39 "2026-11-07T14:37:31Z")
So you are suggesting that the U.S. regime-change Israel, like they tried to do in Iran? That totally worked out. Israel did just have an election, you know, so the regime might change without the U.S. spending more than whatever is the usual CIA budget spent on Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2026, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/40 "2026-11-07T14:41:08Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Dewey, a military defeat is not a genocide. Look at what the world did to the Germans in WWII. Look at what we did to the Japanese. It was awful, it was destructive, it was death on a mass scale. I don’t recall anybody calling it genocide. But of course, this somehow doesn’t apply to Palestine, which attacked Israel on Oct 7 and then suffered a military defeat? Curious… By the way, around 14 million ethnic Germans were “ethnically cleansed” from Central and Eastern Europe after WWII. Most of them were people whose ancestors had lived in those countries for centuries, who had nothing to do with the Nazi regime. Nobody calls that a genocide, either. Because that would be stupid. > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Defeat in this region and context would be pretty ugly, and hightailing it out of there to someplace safer would be better than everybody getting killed, if it comes to that. Tell that to the Palestinians, who had been militarily defeated in wars of aggression started by them or their allies many times since 1948 but not removed from Palestine. > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Note that what I am describing here are simply Israeli goals and logic, applied differently. A one state solution, only Palestine. Military defeat, only of Israel. Isn’t one of the hallmarks of discrimination “double standards”? Isn’t that exactly what you’re resorting to? What’s the double standard here? Who supports a one state solution where the one state is Israel? I gave _only_ seen one state solution advocates who want the only state to be an Arab Palestinian one. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2026, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/41 "2026-11-07T14:43:07Z")
Your thinking is that Israel is going to suffer a military defeat so severe as to drive the entire Jewish populace to pick up and move entirely to someplace else? I cannot imagine what sort of war would be necessary for that. Given the history of the creation of modern-day Israel in the aftermath of Hitler’s attempt at extermination, I think the stated or unstated idea is, “Never again.” IOW, Israel will fight any attack aimed at causing such a defeat to the end. Frankly, look at Ukraine for an analogous situation. Russia thought it would have a brief campaign that would result in the defeat of Ukraine in weeks. Instead, we’re getting close to five years and the Ukrainian people are still there, still fighting, while Russia is severely damaged. Defending your homeland is a powerful motivator. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466.md?page=3)