# It is right and proper to want Israel categorically out of US politics **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 5, 2026, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466 "2026-11-05T06:14:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2026, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/42 "2026-11-07T14:46:43Z")
So funny thing, in 1945 there were in what is today Israel/Palestine 1,764,520, which included approximately 1,210,920 Arab ( **Muslims:** 1,061,270 and **Christian** 135,550) residents and 553,600 **Jews**. So why is this not their homeland as much as the Palestinians? Current leadership of Israel should be condemned, but pushing Jewish people out of Israel is just an assinine position. Both sides need to strive for peace and cooperation. Neither Benjamin Netanyahu nor Hamas want this. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2026, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/43 "2026-11-07T15:14:36Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Who is even shooting back in Gaza? The IDF says 472 Israeli soldiers have died in the ground invasion of Gaza that started on October 27, 2026. Some small number died by friendly fire. And I would have a hard time proving that casualty figures from any side of a war are fully objective. But to say Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad do not shoot back puts us in an improbable realm where there are no common news sources. What about the Germans who shot my Jewish-Soviet family members in 1941 and pushed them into the pit? That was an example of not shooting back. And of genocide. > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Defeat in this region and context would be pretty ugly, and hightailing it out of there to someplace safer would be better than everybody getting killed, if it comes to that. This does have some truth to it in that you seem to acknowledge that after Palestinian victory, they are unlikely to tolerate a substantial Jewish population. The possibly safer places that most of the Jews of Israel fled from were Islamic countries. Some are fairly safe right now (Iraq). Some are pretty dangerous right now (Yemen, Ethiopia). The countries that Israelis came or fled from that are safe generally do not want Palestinians of any religion. Take Saudi Arabia, at least outside airports. Take Egypt. The intermarriage rate between Israeli Jews who fled from the Middle East outside Palestine, who fled from Europe, who came from countries like the U.S. and Canada, and whose ancestors had continuously lived in Palestine for centuries or millennia, is so high that it is impossible to separate them. Attempting to put the migration clock back to before Zionism started is not a solution, but a dreadful part of the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2026, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/44 "2026-11-07T17:52:22Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Who supports a one state solution where the one state is Israel? I gave _only_ seen one state solution advocates who want the only state to be an Arab Palestinian one. The answer appears to be a significant minority. > **[Palestinian-Israeli Pulse: A Joint Poll | PCPSR](https://pcpsr.org/en/node/662)** > > http://pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/PressRelease\_English\_23%20August2016%20w%20logos.pdf > A quarter of Israelis and 35% of Palestinians support a one-state solution. And it’s increasingly popular in America. The Forward is a major Jewish publication. > **[Nearly half of young U.S. Jews want to replace Israel with binational state,...](https://forward.com/news/827329/poll-american-jews-binational-state-anti-zionism/)** > > The new data reflects generational shift and growing gulf between American and Israeli Jews > Twenty-four percent of Jewish adults polled support a one-state solution to the conflict, according to the survey, nearly double the 13% who said they [preferred](https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/views-on-the-consequences-of-the-israel-hamas-war/) a binational state just two years ago. Netanyahu has done criminal damage to the image of Israel just as Trump has done so for America. The retreating behind walls of denial by some Jews is too similar to the same disregard for reality of some MAGAs. It’s dismaying and not helpful in the long term. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2026, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/45 "2026-11-07T18:18:40Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > The answer appears to be a significant minority. I meant here on the forum, since the person I was responding to accused us of hypocrisy over our opposition to a one-state Palestinian state. I don’t see what is hypocritical about opposition to that position, given the fact that not a single person here has advocated for a one state Israel solution. Obviously those type of one staters do exist elsewhere, and like any other sort of one stater, they suck. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2026, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/46 "2026-11-07T19:13:00Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > any other sort of one stater FWIW my long term fantasy would be a one state commonwealth - the “Palestinian” regions and “Jewish” region having substantial autonomy and having shared cooperative central government functions of mutual best interests (trade, tourism, shared defense …) as well. Getting to that level of mutual trust is obviously hard to imagine given where things are today. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2026, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/47 "2026-11-07T19:24:53Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > FWIW my long term fantasy would be a one state commonwealth - the “Palestinian” regions and “Jewish” region having substantial autonomy and having shared cooperative central government functions of mutual best interests (trade, tourism, shared defense …) as well. > > Getting to that level of mutual trust is obviously hard to imagine given where things are today That’s fine as and end goal, but I think it’s very clear that the only way to get there is through two independent states forming closer relations, not through one state that we just cross our fingers and hope will work out. Maybe after a few decades of living side by side in peace we can talk about an EU style confederation and eventually closer relations. ---
**Author:** ![Ancient\_Nerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed655f/32.png) [@Ancient\_Nerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Nerd)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2026, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/48 "2026-11-07T20:35:29Z")
Here in Eric Swalwell’s old district, AIPAC tried to get involved in the election for his replacement. They spent a lot of money mailing some really misleading hit pieces. Every day, there were another one or two of them in the mail. It wasn’t enough though. Two democrats made the run-off. The more qualified of the two had twice as many votes in the primary. AIPAC’s mailers boosted the one they liked to about 45%. Her credibility took a major hit though, especially with me. It would be nice to find some fact checking on those mailers but, they don’t really deserve the dignity of a response. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2026, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/49 "2026-11-08T20:01:10Z")
You’re omitting the most important one-stater of all. Not on this forum, perhaps, but: the state of Israel itself. Look at their actions- exterminating the Palestinians in Gaza and elsewhere makes a one-state solution the default, no? And that’s what is well underway, no? So, applying your own reasoning about one-staters to Israel, well, I knew we’d find some common ground eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2026, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/50 "2026-11-08T20:04:49Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Look at their actions- exterminating the Palestinians in Gaza and elsewhere makes a one-state solution the default, no? And that’s what is well underway, no? No. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2026, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/51 "2026-11-08T20:08:49Z")
Closed on November 8, 2026, 8:08pm UTC ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2026, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/52 "2026-11-08T20:12:43Z")
Warning for disregarding Moderator instructions. I laid out the rules for #Politics & Elections earlier in this thread. I am not allowing you to expand this into an omnibus thread about Israel and the #israel-hamas-war. This thread is closed and you need to follow the rules of the forum. From Earlier: > [@It is right and proper to want Israel categorically out of US politics](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466/17): > > Moderating: Both #Politics & Elections and #Great Debates have been operating under rules you might not be aware of since early 2020. [New Rules for Politics and Elections – January 2020](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rules-for-politics-and-elections-january-2020/845727) Some highlights: All that quoted, jumping off to Perdue is going off-topic. A lot of your last post is pushing off-topic. I will hide the post in fact to avoid a larger hijack. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-is-right-and-proper-to-want-israel-categorically-out-of-us-politics/1034466.md?page=2)