# It wasn’t a coup **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 13, 2021, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407 "2021-01-13T05:29:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/442 "2021-01-21T05:45:40Z")
> **[The U.S. Capitol raid was a failed self-coup previously seen in dying regimes](https://theconversation.com/the-u-s-capitol-raid-was-a-failed-self-coup-previously-seen-in-dying-regimes-152917)** > > Donald Trump has failed to understand that the constitutional separation of powers in the United States is its source of strength, not weakness. I think the experts cited will not be shy to testify if needed, what you miss on your theory is that when one encounters a real conspiracy theory the experts the proponents of a conspiracy cite become the worst enemies of the conspiracy. You see, what happens is that the conspiracy theorists usually never bother to check what the experts are saying. Not seeing that here, that it was a stupid coup that was clear, it does not deny that it was an attempted one or an auto-golpe. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/443 "2021-01-21T05:47:05Z")
> [@MustangSal](#): > > Usually failed coups end in firing squads for all involved. “Usually”, by definition, means it doesn’t always happen, so the fact that that didn’t happen means what? ---
**Author:** ![MustangSal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mustangsal/32/6327_2.png) [@MustangSal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MustangSal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/444 "2021-01-21T05:47:53Z")
Could you guys stop trying to use liberal news sites as a “cite” ---
**Author:** ![MustangSal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mustangsal/32/6327_2.png) [@MustangSal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MustangSal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/445 "2021-01-21T05:48:34Z")
There is no proof. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/446 "2021-01-21T05:49:56Z")
> [@MustangSal](#): > > As is your clinging to the notion that an actual attempt at a coup was attempted Well, I’ve got actual reasons for thinking that: namely, that there is substantial evidence from advance communication among the rioters, indicating that a significant number of people in the crowd deliberately planned the attack with the aim of disrupting or preventing the certification of the election. The planners may not have been smart or realistic in their aims, but nobody here is arguing that an attack needs to be smart or realistic to qualify as a coup attempt. But apparently that’s what you’re arguing? Because it was too dumb and half-assed, it doesn’t count? ---
**Author:** ![MustangSal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mustangsal/32/6327_2.png) [@MustangSal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MustangSal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/447 "2021-01-21T05:52:30Z")
So President Biden, the democratically elected President of the United States of America, just lets this coup attempter to retire to Florida? Come on, please ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/448 "2021-01-21T05:57:36Z")
> [@MustangSal](#): > > So President Biden, the democratically elected President of the United States of America, just lets this coup attempter to retire to Florida? Okay, what you seem to be trying to say is that you don’t think an attack on government counts as a coup attempt if the perpetrators don’t kill enough people and/or if some of them aren’t punished for it. I think that’s a stricter definition of “coup attempt” than is generally imposed. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/449 "2021-01-21T06:04:26Z")
> [@MustangSal](#): > > Usually failed coups end in firing squads for all involved. There was little bloodshed in the recent coups in Honduras and Bolivia, nevertheless the actions still were called coups. There was an attempt in Venezuela that was more deadly and besides being called an attempted coup, it is clear that there was an stupidity factor that came from the Trump administration too. > **[The "ridiculous" failed coup attempt in Venezuela, explained](https://www.vox.com/2020/5/11/21249203/venezuela-coup-jordan-goudreau-maduro-guaido-explain)** > > "It’s so mind-bogglingly dumb," a former Navy SEAL told Vox about the plan. > The notion that the US government would be involved in a clandestine operation to overthrow a government in Latin America is [not exactly farfetched, either](https://apnews.com/2ded14659982426c9b2552827734be83). And the Trump administration hasn’t been subtle about its desire to remove Maduro and install Guaidó. > > Indeed, Cutz said he faults the Trump administration, and especially former National Security Adviser John Bolton, for an aggressive stance toward the country that set the scene for something like this to happen. > > Bolton and Trump’s team “[used language](https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1095501786629242881?s=20) that was excessive, and led to interpretations by individuals that overthrow was official US policy,” Cutz told me. ---
**Author:** ![MustangSal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mustangsal/32/6327_2.png) [@MustangSal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MustangSal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/450 "2021-01-21T06:06:19Z")
If the duly elected President of the United States, Joe Biden, thought that Donald Trump attempted to overthrow the government, with the help of various capital police,republican congresspeople, etc (I can’t keep track of all the conspiracy theories) I would hope there would be a much more robust response. But there isn’t because there was no coup attempt ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/451 "2021-01-21T06:06:30Z")
“ **MustangSal** , appearing for the Defense, Your Honor…” > The strength of the French people overthrew the French government. Not some yahoos that randomly decided to storm the bastille. It is true that these morons weren’t nearly as strong as thought, or in as great numbers as they thought, or getting the leadership they thought they were gonna get… But **SenorBeef** is right. All of those things on his list are documented. many were armed, wearing Military style gear. The Army showed up! But their CIC hung them out to dry. They overran the Capitol building. They murdered people. They were prepared to take hostages. They were waiting for support and orders from the Poobah. THEY though it was coup. ---
**Author:** ![MustangSal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mustangsal/32/6327_2.png) [@MustangSal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MustangSal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/452 "2021-01-21T06:08:44Z")
I’m not sure of your point. ---
**Author:** ![MustangSal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mustangsal/32/6327_2.png) [@MustangSal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MustangSal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/453 "2021-01-21T06:10:23Z")
So why isn’t President Biden arresting everybody involved in this vast conspiracy? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/454 "2021-01-21T06:11:48Z")
> [@MustangSal](#): > > Could you guys stop trying to use liberal news sites as a “cite” Even NewsGuard shows that all the cites I used come from sources that are : “ **Green** : A website is rated green if it generally adheres to basic standards of credibility and transparency.” You are free to cite the sorry sources you use, I just want to know to who I should blame for your uncited declarations. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/455 "2021-01-21T06:16:09Z")
So if the DOJ starts arresting people in government involved in 1/6, does it then become a coup? If Trump is convicted in the senate for inciting an insurrection, does it become a coup? ---
**Author:** ![MustangSal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mustangsal/32/6327_2.png) [@MustangSal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MustangSal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/456 "2021-01-21T06:17:28Z")
I’ll answer my own question. The leader of the free world, Joe Biden, knows there was no coup attempt by former president Trump or any co conspirators. You can have your fun in this message board, but it just didn’t happen ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/457 "2021-01-21T06:18:07Z")
> [@MustangSal](#): > > So why isn’t President Biden arresting everybody involved in this vast conspiracy? Well, thanks for showing that you were living in a cave until recently. > **[Oath Keepers Members Were Charged With Conspiring To Storm The Capitol And...](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/oath-keepers-leader-conspiracy-charge-capitol-riot)** > > Members of the Oath Keepers, a far-right militia group, used Facebook messages to plan their attack on the US Capitol days in advance, court documents show. ---
**Author:** ![MustangSal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mustangsal/32/6327_2.png) [@MustangSal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MustangSal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/458 "2021-01-21T06:20:15Z")
Crimes were committed on 1/6. Those should be prosecuted. Trump incited the mob and that was an impeachable offense. It was not a coup ---
**Author:** ![MustangSal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mustangsal/32/6327_2.png) [@MustangSal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MustangSal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/459 "2021-01-21T06:21:50Z")
Oath keepers organized the coup now? I thought Trump did it ---
**Author:** ![MustangSal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mustangsal/32/6327_2.png) [@MustangSal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MustangSal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/460 "2021-01-21T06:25:49Z")
Did Donald Trump attempt to overthrow the government in a coup d’etat on1/6/21? I’m not asking if he was a horrible President. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407/461 "2021-01-21T06:28:35Z")
> [@MustangSal](#): > > Oath keepers organized the coup now? I thought Trump did it You did not think that so stop showing all how stupid you are for thinking that would fly. **The reality is that the evidence shows that if Trump had conceded the election in the previous 2 months this insurrection would never had taken place.** What we need now is to find evidence of how involved Trump was, it would had been just his big lie since November. Or that money and support did go to plotters like the Oath Keepers. Just now authorities are gathering evidence to see if Trump gets more of the blame. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/it-wasn-t-a-coup/930407.md?page=24)