# ITR Champion, shut your pie-hole **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2009, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761 "2009-02-28T04:35:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/21 "2009-02-28T13:32:07Z")
Found a link. Scroll down about 8 images: [http://discardedlies.com/entry/?13223](http://discardedlies.com/entry/?13223) ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/22 "2009-02-28T16:41:04Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > Can we reach a consensus? I was planning on pitying \*\*kanicbird \*\* and scorning **Champ** Now I’m confused. I suppose you could split the difference and ridicule both. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/23 "2009-02-28T17:42:48Z")
> [@alterego](#): > > …In other words, he’s a troll. In the words of Professor of Philosophy Harry Frankfurt at Princeton, ITR doesn’t even care about the truth value of what he says. Therefore he’s not even a liar - the stuff he’s spewing is pure bullshit and worse than a lie. Fully devoid of understanding at that. I abandoned a conversation with him when the trolling became overly obvious. No, you yourself say he believes what he says – even though what he says is not a product of reason. That makes him an idiot, not a troll. ---
**Author:** ![alterego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@alterego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alterego)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/24 "2009-02-28T19:36:50Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > No, you yourself say he believes what he says – even though what he says is not a product of reason. That makes him an idiot, not a troll. Its a tricky issue from the bullshit perspective because bullshit is when you make a statement irrespective of whether or not it is true. So if ITR knows that what he says is false but says it anyway he is a liar and not a bullshitter. But we’ve established that ITR really believes the things he is saying, so he can’t be a liar. But from our frame of reference he IS a bullshitter because he came to believe the things he says to us without any respect for the truth. ---
**Author:** ![alterego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@alterego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alterego)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/25 "2009-02-28T19:38:38Z")
Also, he is a troll isn’t he? Have a look at those thread titles > [@UrbanDictionary](#): > > **Troll:** One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument This one also labels him a troll: > [@UrbanDictionary](#): > > **Troll:** One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/26 "2009-02-28T19:55:44Z")
Since I like debates about the existence of God, I generally like **ITR** ’s threads, even though they are somewhat peripheral to the issue. And I have to guiltily admit that I like to see my own atheistic view supported with the inevitable smackdown. And no, he’s not a troll just because he has an unpopular viewpoint and argues from that viewpoint. It’s not even an unpopular viewpoint in most places, this place is an exception. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/27 "2009-02-28T20:06:05Z")
> [@alterego](#): > > Its a tricky issue from the bullshit perspective because bullshit is when you make a statement irrespective of whether or not it is true. So if ITR knows that what he says is false but says it anyway he is a liar and not a bullshitter. But we’ve established that ITR really believes the things he is saying, so he can’t be a liar. But from our frame of reference he IS a bullshitter because he came to believe the things he says to us without any respect for the truth. I’m not sure one can both believe something and not think it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![alterego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@alterego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alterego)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/28 "2009-02-28T20:13:11Z")
That is not an implication of the argument. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/29 "2009-02-28T20:23:47Z")
I think it is. He believes what he’s saying, therefor he thinks it’s true, therefor he’s not saying it without regard for the truth --at least _his_ truth. ---
**Author:** ![alterego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@alterego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alterego)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/30 "2009-02-28T20:27:05Z")
More succinctly, if you know a person frequently comes to believe things to be true without properly evaluating whether they are true or not, then you might regard the things they say as bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/31 "2009-02-28T20:34:29Z")
Oh, _I_ certainly regard it as bullshit, but ITR champion doesn’t, so he’s not a troll. As I said he’s an idiot, or perhaps has some psychological illness that makes him delusional. ---
**Author:** ![alterego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@alterego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alterego)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/32 "2009-02-28T20:44:56Z")
Given that, I agree. He’s an idiot, not a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/33 "2009-02-28T20:48:40Z")
> [@alterego](#): > > Given that, I agree. He’s an idiot, not a troll. Wow, you may be the first person I’ve ever convinced of anything on these boards! Thnk you. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/34 "2009-03-01T02:30:08Z")
I think his threads are utterly bizarre. They’re like anti-PR for the Catholic Church and for religion in general. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/35 "2009-03-02T02:24:46Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > Before he shuts the F\*\*\* up, could he tell us what ITR stands for? I can tell you. Originally, it stands for either “Ineligible to Return” or “Invited to Resign”, depending on whom you ask. It’s the term for failing out at Harvey Mudd College ( **ITR** and I are alumni). I don’t know for sure, but I’d guess that the **Champion** part of his name has to do with winning the _ITR games_, which is a semi-organized competition that many students take part in. I’ve not personally played, but I gather it’s some sort of tag/capture the flag/etc. variant that takes place within the academic complex at night. All the buildings are connected via underground tunnels, so there’s lots of room down there to hide and seek. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/36 "2009-03-02T04:38:27Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > …and Fuck, **no matter how suitable for the subject** , needs to be changed. Is that really appropriate for a mod-hat-on post? Just askin’. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/37 "2009-03-02T06:28:00Z")
> [@BrightNShiny](#): > > I think his threads are utterly bizarre. They’re like anti-PR for the Catholic Church and for religion in general. I don’t understand his links. They really don’t address his points. (I just started in with him on a new thread and said I don’t agree with the thread about him in the pit… yet, but so dang close…) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/38 "2009-03-02T15:52:53Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > Harvey Mudd College I apologize to you and all Harvey Mudd College alumni, wherever they are, but every time I see this (and it’s been something like 4 times in the last week here), I wonder if they offer a B.A. in selling pharmaceutically enhanced mail-order brides or something… ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/39 "2009-03-02T16:25:23Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’d rather have Christians like **kanicbird** than **ITR** , anyday. **kanic** ’s beliefs are very woo-woo, IMO, but he’s honest and upfront about it, and he doesn’t start sooo many dishonest threads. > > Of course, I’d much rather _just_ have Christians like **Lib** , **Poly** , **Sarahfeena** or **tomndebb** , but it’s not my MB, now, is it? Wow…gee, thanks, **Dib**. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/40 "2009-03-03T03:14:26Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > Before he shuts the F\*\*\* up, could he tell us what ITR stands for? > > I’ve been trying to guess, and haven’t found a good answer yet. I think he’s said it stands for: I’m Totally Retarded. So really, Chimp can’t help it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761.md?page=3)