# ITR Champion, shut your pie-hole **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2009, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761 "2009-02-28T04:35:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/41 "2009-03-03T03:49:00Z")
As a theist, I’d also like **ITR** to shut up. Lies, misquotes, straw men and such only make the rest of us believers look bad. ---
**Author:** ![HumanMonkeyGod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c67d28/32.png) [@HumanMonkeyGod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HumanMonkeyGod)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/42 "2009-03-04T18:03:10Z")
Thread long overdue. I’ve never read anything but garbage from him. Why won’t he go away? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/43 "2009-03-04T18:51:06Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I think it is. He believes what he’s saying, therefor he thinks it’s true, therefor he’s not saying it without regard for the truth --at least _his_ truth. I have a question: Hypothetically, if ITR Champion believes what he says, but realises that he will not convince anybody on the SDMB of the correctness of his viewpoints, and decides to start threads anyway for the purposes of his own amusment (or whatever), is that not also a “troll”? Disclaimer: I am not a mind reader. I do not know what ITR’s motives are. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Lance_Murdoch)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/44 "2009-03-04T21:39:24Z")
The points he thinks he is making are so damned worthless. He asserts that foot roasting wasn’t the most common form of torture in the Spanish Inquisition. So what? Some other torture was the most common. Hallelujah! Where’s my rosary? ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/45 "2009-03-04T21:59:03Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > I have a question: > > Hypothetically, if ITR Champion believes what he says, but realises that he will not convince anybody on the SDMB of the correctness of his viewpoints, and decides to start threads anyway for the purposes of his own amusment (or whatever), is that not also a “troll”? I’m pretty sure that’s witnessing. > [@](#): > > This is also the place for religious debates and (if you feel you must) witnessing. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/46 "2009-03-05T00:32:11Z")
> [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](#): > > I’m pretty sure that’s witnessing. The term “witnessing”, although it’s a commonly accepted term for affirming ones religious faith to others, bugs the shit out of me. Unless Jesus actually appeared to them, they haven’t “witnessed” a damned thing! They read it in a book or heard it from someone else. Seems more like “hearsaying” to me. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761/47 "2009-03-05T00:46:33Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > The term “witnessing”, although it’s a commonly accepted term for affirming ones religious faith to others, bugs the shit out of me. Unless Jesus actually appeared to them, they haven’t “witnessed” a damned thing! They read it in a book or heard it from someone else. Seems more like “hearsaying” to me. :smack: Well, maybe he’s got some anal tearing from when he was touched by that angel. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itr-champion-shut-your-pie-hole/487761.md?page=2)