# It's A Grand Old Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 29, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553 "2016-02-29T19:29:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/21 "2016-03-01T01:50:41Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Anything they can scrape up on her, no matter how dated or silly (see the OP) or many-times-debunked, will be filed away for use at every opportunity. That’s how I know she’s tough; she murdered all those people! ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/22 "2016-03-01T02:12:24Z")
No, that was Bill. Hillary only killed Vince Foster. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/23 "2016-03-01T02:20:40Z")
Yes, but they are America’s most infamous Murder Couple. I remember Hillary wandering, wild-eyed, through the White House in the black black night: “All the perfumes of Arabia will not cleanse the blood from this little hand!” ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/24 "2016-03-01T02:42:31Z")
So how exactly did the OP think this little rant was going to go? OP: Hillary BAD! Dope: Oooh. You have finally convinced me to vote against my interests. You big, strong, thing, you! ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/25 "2016-03-01T02:51:52Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > President Obama generally offered compromises in an attempt to win over his opponents and was repeatedly rebuffed. I believe President Clinton will instead choose to fight back against her opponents. I fervently hope so. When the President selected Judd Gregg as I believe, his first cabinet appointment, I was very disappointed. When he was slapped in the face for it by Gregg, I was disgusted. I was pretty shocked when he continued to hold out his hand, and continued to get it bitten. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/26 "2016-03-01T03:32:03Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > That’s how I know she’s tough; she murdered all those people! > [@Leaper](#): > > No, that was Bill. Hillary only killed Vince Foster. No, no, Vince is just the only one she killed **with her bare hands** – a point on which Bill still far exceeds her, but she’s working hard to even the score, as well she should. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/27 "2016-03-01T03:39:21Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And on the day after that, President Clinton will state her new priority is to see that Mitch McConnell will be a one-term Senate Majority Leader. > > I think that will be the new tenor of the White House. President Obama generally offered compromises in an attempt to win over his opponents and was repeatedly rebuffed. I believe President Clinton will instead choose to fight back against her opponents. I am not sure there is a need, and there is definetly a risk. Obama was not a one term president, turns out, and leaders of this crop of GOP primary candidates means old order no longer pulls the strings. There is also the irony of the Super PACs. Republicans wanted them because they knew it would help business-darling candidates, but the problem is Super PACs don’t need good optics, they don’t have to coddle to a party’s platform. They are lobbying writ large and that doesn’t sell so well condensed into one human being. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/28 "2016-03-01T03:51:50Z")
I’ve got family members like the OP, that hate Hilary. When asked why, you find out it’s more of a visceral thing. I’ve sometimes asked for specifics, and they falter. But now I can help them out with that “She’s against flag-burning!” thing. Thanks, **Claverhouse** … ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/29 "2016-03-01T04:44:25Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I’ve got family members like the OP, that hate Hilary. When asked why, you find out it’s more of a visceral thing. I’ve sometimes asked for specifics, and they falter. > > But now I can help them out with that “She’s against flag-burning!” thing. Thanks, **Claverhouse** … Face facts. The people that hate Hillary Clinton on a visceral level hate flag burning as well. Obviously, they’re not going to support Clinton over her supposed solidarity with them on this issue. This is just a clumsy attempt to sway liberals by people who have no idea who liberals actually are. But the imaginary liberals in their mind all hate America and love to burn flags. Tell them their heroine doesn’t want to burn flags and these imaginary liberals will recoil in horror. Next week’s revelation: Hillary Clinton is a devout Methodist who attends weekly services. Won’t that shock the atheists, Muslims, and satanists who make up her base! ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/30 "2016-03-01T04:49:53Z")
It’s _almost_ like…Hillary Clinton is not even a _liberal_! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/31 "2016-03-01T05:39:30Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > … “All the perfumes of Arabia will not cleanse the blood from this little hand!” Not sure I approve of references to _Macbeth_ on a “family” type Board. Too much Saxon violence. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/32 "2016-03-01T06:49:38Z")
> [@andros](#): > > It’s _almost_ like…Hillary Clinton is not even a _liberal_! Is she a conservative Republican? Because everyone else is a liberal. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/33 "2016-03-01T07:03:29Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Not sure I approve of references to _Macbeth_ on a “family” type Board. Too much Saxon violence. Macbeth was no Sassenach: the Scottish play is full of Celtic violence. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/34 "2016-03-01T08:15:13Z")
Note: the OP is not a Republican. Nor is he a Democrat, for that matter. In fact, I’m pretty sure that wants no association whatsoever with the terms “Democratic” or “Republic” ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/35 "2016-03-01T15:55:09Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Note: the OP is not a Republican. > > Nor is he a Democrat, for that matter. In fact, I’m pretty sure that wants no association whatsoever with the terms “Democratic” or “Republic” You will have to forgive us, exasperation at Clinton’s inability to pass flag legislation smells of desperate straw grasping whatever his political affiliation. Bernie supporters are fully capable of this stuff too. And I say that as a Bernie supporter. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/36 "2016-03-01T16:03:01Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > You will have to forgive us, exasperation at Clinton’s inability to pass flag legislation smells of desperate straw grasping whatever his political affiliation. > > Bernie supporters are fully capable of this stuff too. And I say that as a Bernie supporter. Based on his past postings, his contempt for Clinton has nothing to do with her policies. It’s solely due to her being (a) an American and (b) a willing participant in the democratic process, which are two things he despises. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/37 "2016-03-01T16:35:34Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Based on his past postings, his contempt for Clinton has nothing to do with her policies. It’s solely due to her being (a) an American and (b) a willing participant in the democratic process, which are two things he despises. But, that applies to **all** the candidates; why single out Hillary? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/38 "2016-03-01T16:45:16Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But, that applies to **all** the candidates; why single out Hillary? No idea. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/39 "2016-03-01T21:15:53Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > … She will be able to work well with the GOP, far more so than Obama and Sanders, neither of whom have her canny neo-liberal instincts for horse-trading and giving away the farm in return for minor concessions… I dunno, Obama was an absolute master of starting at the Republican position of just a few years ago and then giving up even more. Hilary might turn out to be “better” at that, but it’s an extremely low bar to wriggle under. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/40 "2016-03-01T22:29:37Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Still desperately hoping that the GOP candidate will be facing Sanders instead of Clinton, eh? [One might need to be careful what one wishes for](http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/index.html). In a new CNN/ORC poll, > [@](#): > > Clinton tops Trump 52% to 44% among registered voters, while Sanders does even better, beating Trump 55% to 43%. Clinton doesn’t do as well against Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz, however. > > Sanders tops all three Republicans by wide margins: 57% to 40% against Cruz, 55% to 43% against Trump, and 53% to 45% against Rubio. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553.md?page=3)