# It's A Grand Old Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 29, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553 "2016-02-29T19:29:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/41 "2016-03-01T23:32:44Z")
For her first State of the Union, I hope she declares that a new atmosphere of cooperation exists between the Executive and Legislative branches, immediately after taking the Republican Whip’s head off with a broadsword. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/42 "2016-03-02T01:44:55Z")
“Any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, NOW’S THE FUCKING TIME!” ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/43 "2016-03-02T02:33:53Z")
“I didn’t think so.” “Gentlemen, this meeting is adjourned.” ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/44 "2016-03-02T03:14:22Z")
> [@MacCat](#): > > I fervently hope so. When the President selected Judd Gregg as I believe, his first cabinet appointment, I was very disappointed. When he was slapped in the face for it by Gregg, I was disgusted. I was pretty shocked when he continued to hold out his hand, and continued to get it bitten. Yep. He tried to be Abe Lincoln and name a strong and mixed party cabinet. Perhaps he was naive. Might have been better for Obama to be running this year after serving 8 years as Hillary’s Veep. It took him until 2012 to start giving back some of the garbage he’d been getting from the GOP for four years. Too nice a guy. Perhaps he also overestimated the rationality of the voting public. Hillary will be much more cynical. She won’t expect the GOP to be reasonable. She’ll know they’re incapable of that with regard to her. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/45 "2016-03-02T04:40:39Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Not sure I approve of references to _Macbeth_ on a “family” type Board. Too much Saxon violence. Oh hush. I want to hear more about Donald’s Bane. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/46 "2016-03-02T05:05:07Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > Oh hush. I want to hear more about Donald’s Bane. Well, that would be Donald’s “Hair” – a word which, BTW, derives from the Old English word “hiearr,” meaning “fuzzy orange extraterrestrial mind-controlling scalp-parasite.” The early Anglo-Saxons were actually much more scientifically sophisticated than later generations appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/47 "2016-03-02T07:09:12Z")
In case anybody cares… Clinton and Bennett voted against a Constitutional Amendment against flag burning. Such an over-broad Amendment would have infringed on freedom of speech. Presumably as a compromise, she supported this bill. It would be subject to Supreme Court Review. Here’s what it says: [INDENT][INDENT] Flag Protection Act of 2005 - Amends the federal criminal code to revise provisions regarding desecration of the flag to prohibit: (1) destroying or damaging a U.S. flag with the primary purpose and intent to incite or produce imminent violence or a breach of the peace; (2) intentionally threatening or intimidating any person, or group of persons, by burning a U.S. flag; or (3) stealing or knowingly converting the use of a U.S. flag belonging to the United States, or belonging to another person on U.S. lands, and intentionally destroying or damaging that flag. [/INDENT][/INDENT] So you can’t burn a flag **with the primary purpose and intent to incite violence**. Also you can’t intentionally threaten folks by burning the flag. Also you can’t steal a flag from the US Guv then burn it. I can’t say I’m too freaked out about this bill, and I appreciate the attempt to avoid passing a Constitutional Amendment which bans flag burning. Not that I’ve ever had any interest in burning flags absent such an overbroad law or amendment. Hillary haters are weird. And this is the best they’ve got. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/48 "2016-03-02T07:15:55Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Not that I’ve ever had any interest in burning flags absent such an overbroad law or amendment. …or if the flag is worn out. According to the Flag Code: INDENT The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning. [/INDENT] ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/49 "2016-03-02T16:02:05Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > **Claverhouse,** Hillary Clinton is going to be the next POTUS. > > Just accept it. I think you mean that she’ll be the next Democratic nominee. (Unless you have a crystal ball you haven’t told us about.) ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/50 "2016-03-25T15:40:21Z")
I’ve always wondered why, given the nature of the controversy surrounding flag-burning, they just wouldn’t make the flag out of non-flammable material. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/51 "2016-03-25T16:13:24Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I’ve always wondered why, given the nature of the controversy surrounding flag-burning, they just wouldn’t make the flag out of non-flammable material. Then someone would start up “flag stabbing”. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/52 "2016-03-25T16:25:51Z")
Valid point ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/53 "2016-03-25T16:27:50Z")
I vote for “flag shredding”. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/54 "2016-03-25T16:41:46Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I vote for “flag shredding”. This is _AMERICA_, gahdammit! Flag-_shooting_. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/55 "2016-03-25T16:56:41Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I’ve always wondered why, given the nature of the controversy surrounding flag-burning, they just wouldn’t make the flag out of non-flammable material. They should make the entire flag out of the same material they use to make the black box. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553/56 "2016-03-25T17:02:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Then someone would start up “flag stabbing”. Only in November and not on the fifth! CMC fnord! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-grand-old-hillary/747553.md?page=2)