# It's a man's world **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 27, 2014, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848 "2014-01-27T15:28:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/21 "2014-01-27T19:24:03Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Half the human race is dying off, with the other half following it into extinction in a few years, and you’re desperate to argue whether certain religious groups will finally manage to be gay-friendly. Source: your OP. :rolleyes: Now that you’ve been corrected as to reason for this thread, perhaps we can concentrate on what it is really about-_all_ the various consequences of a world that is suddenly deprived of women. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/22 "2014-01-27T19:32:20Z")
> [@Aquadementia](#): > > I hope I can get one that transforms into a motor scooter that I can ride for short commutes. Give me a transformer wife and some lotion and I’m set. Scientists will work 24/7 to kajigger a way to make female chimps look as humanly as possible as soon as possible. Then the boning bgins. In a few years this is your girlfriend. [![](https://www.actionexhibit.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/page-builder-sandwich-features-150x150.png) ](https://www.actionexhibit.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/page-builder-sandwich-features-150x150.png) Also the guys don’t want to make their monkey-ladies feel bad so they recarve the Lincoln Memorial into chimpanzee Abraham Lincoln. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/23 "2014-01-27T19:43:08Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Give me a transformer wife and some lotion and I’m set. Why am I envisioning an x-rated remake of _Short Circuit_? “My name is Jonni 5 bucks for the first ten minutes, and a buck for each additional minute!” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/24 "2014-01-27T19:50:54Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Wow. Worst birthday ever. Not sure where birthdays came into it, but whatever. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/25 "2014-01-27T19:54:57Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Will certain religious groups stop condemning homosexuals, or just dig in their heals? American Christianity, at least, would become pretty much impotent. Sure, most of the preachers are men, but it’s the women who keep the churches running and fill the pews. Lots of nominally conservative Christian men are going to just tell the pastors to fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/26 "2014-01-27T20:01:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > For some unknown reason all human females die out over a short period of time(say, two years), and we can’t bring them back. Do we perfect cloning before dying out? How will society change? Will certain religious groups stop condemning homosexuals, or just dig in their heals? This is one of the more messed-up hypotheticals we’ve had, but yes, cloning technology shifts into ultra-high gear. Sex is one thing; dying out as a species is quite another. ---
**Author:** ![Krouget](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b38774/32.png) [@Krouget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krouget)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/27 "2014-01-27T20:11:36Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Half the human race is dying off We’d juggle this as an issue, followed simultaneously by an attempt to figure out if the cause would spread to men, as the human race would be at stake. I’d imagine such a doomsday scenario would get pretty disgusting and wouldn’t want to think of what it would look like. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/28 "2014-01-27T20:18:24Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Not sure where birthdays came into it, but whatever. I mean, how would you feel if the day you turned 18, your dad offed himself while you’re still dealing with the fallout of only recently losing your mother? Adult or no, I’d be a wreck. ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/29 "2014-01-27T20:37:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Because, except for a post where I wondered how different religions would handle the situation, the _rest_ of us have been talking about other things? Well, it wasn’t really just one post: > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Will certain religious groups stop condemning homosexuals, or just dig in their heals? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > This might cause a drop in funds when the offering plate is passed. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > I wonder how various religions would cope with and/or explain what happened? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/30 "2014-01-27T20:54:46Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I was thinking that was a possibility, also. I can see there being a massive effort to get as many women pregnant as possible, and a horrifying percentage of them will not be willing volunteers. I think you’d be wrong. Women don’t want to see the world end either and I think once this becomes an honest-to-god epidemic, everyone would be trying to get pregnant. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/31 "2014-01-27T20:59:22Z")
> [@Polerius](#): > > Well, it wasn’t really just one post: Yeah, I can see how the first and third of those could be taken as an “urgent priority” to show “whether we’re sufficiently condemnatory of religious groups”, and that " this is another “o noes religion is teh suxor!” threads in disguise", and that my mentioning cloning and changes in society as the first two items to consider in the OP(along with the other things we’ve discussed in this thread) is just an elaborate con job to get y’all hooked in before I post a multi-paragraph rant about the evil Christians lying in wait. Next time, why don’t you look for an actual nail before swinging that hammer, okey dokey? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/32 "2014-01-27T21:00:53Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > I think you’d be wrong. Women don’t want to see the world end either and I think once this becomes an honest-to-god epidemic, everyone would be trying to get pregnant. That would be an interesting poll, wouldn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/33 "2014-01-27T21:10:19Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > I think you’d be wrong. Women don’t want to see the world end either and I think once this becomes an honest-to-god epidemic, everyone would be trying to get pregnant. There’s some that wouldn’t want to be pregnant under any circumstances - can’t say I blame them. In any case, while governments in general will do a lot of crazy things, I think generally we’ll see a lot of spending on ‘non-essential’ services like the military get axed. Bio labs will probably get authority to requisition anything they want, in a manner even more stringent than arms factories in WW2. Every bio major would have a free ride through college, every Bio PhD would have their own lab. Some of the other sciences would benefit from being related. Some of the academic fields will get thrased though. Gender studies is probably going to go away. Any major that’s 80% female is probably getting shut down. I think we’ll have a problem with K-12 education as A - that field is going away as kids grow up and B - ISTM that many teachers are female now. The arts are probably going to lose all their funding as that gets redirected. Politically, liberals will have a harder time being elected as women tend to vote more liberally than men (at least in the US). I can foresee a lot of welfare and food stamp programs going down the tubes. I could see governments deciding to let the old people starve as the funds for things like social security and medicare are redirected into research funding. Be interesting to see how the EPA is handled. Could we figure out cloning in the next 30-40 years we have while there are still men young enough to raise children? I think so, especially if we become fanatically devoted to it. A bigger question will be how well will those children be raised, if all the educational, daycare, and other industries built around children have languished for a decade or two. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/34 "2014-01-27T21:11:48Z")
> [@Aquadementia](#): > > Cloning would probably still require human ovum to start with. So there would have to be an effort to preserve those. I think it would be good to try cryogenically saving as many (whole) women as possible. > > If you have the eggs then you may as well make something new instead of a clone. Although probably select for males because of the prevailing conditions of this scenario. . . Maybe they can jigger some stem cells into making eggs. I posted this in the companion thread, but: [organoids](https://www.sciencemag.org/content/342/6165/1436.2.summary). Stage two would be working on ways to make men pregnant. The fertilized egg makes the placenta, umbilical cord, etc. I’ve seen speculation that it might be possible to attach a pregnancy to a man’s liver. There may be less incompatability to that than to using a chimp. Any cloning would be a stop-gap. The species needs to mix the genes. Also, you lose telomeres when cloning. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/35 "2014-01-27T23:01:45Z")
Humanity dies out. We are _quite_ a ways away from artificial wombs or growing a human fetus in an animal, even if we already had human cloning. And even if we invented such techniques they’d be terribly expensive and probably unreliable for a long time - that’s how technological development tends to work after all. And just like in the “what if all men died” thread, the gender imbalance in jobs will cause massive economic disjunction due to entire categories of workers essentially vanishing, making any such attempts even harder. I don’t see us as being able to sustain our population. > [@silenus](#): > > We wouldn’t have to worry about anything. The males would kill each other off or suicide in short order (like a couple of weeks.) There would be no society to worry about. Standard man-bashing. A world without men is a paradise, a world without women either destroys itself or is some militarized totalitarian state; because men are _just that evil._ > [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Give me a transformer wife and some lotion and I’m set. > > Scientists will work 24/7 to kajigger a way to make female chimps look as humanly as possible as soon as possible. Then the boning bgins. [Monkubines](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=526869). ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/36 "2014-01-27T23:08:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Yeah, I can see how the first and third of those could be taken as an “urgent priority” to show “whether we’re sufficiently condemnatory of religious groups”, and that " this is another “o noes religion is teh suxor!” threads in disguise", and that my mentioning cloning and changes in society as the first two items to consider in the OP(along with the other things we’ve discussed in this thread) is just an elaborate con job to get y’all hooked in before I post a multi-paragraph rant about the evil Christians lying in wait. > Next time, why don’t you look for an actual nail before swinging that hammer, okey dokey? Straw man. I wasn’t supporting what the other posters were saying. I was addressing what you said: [QUOTE=Czarcasm] Because, **except for a post** where I wondered how different religions would handle the situation, the rest of us have been talking about other things? [/QUOTE] (Bolding mine) You did not address how religions would handle this event in “ **a** ” post, you addressed it in three posts. Not only that, but you addressed it in all three of your first posts in this thread. So, by that time you had a 100% rate of bringing up how religions would react to this event. Next time, why don’t you apply your “czarcasm” to something other that straw, okey dokey? ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/37 "2014-01-28T00:01:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > For some unknown reason all human females die out over a short period of time(say, two years), and we can’t bring them back. Do we perfect cloning before dying out? If this happens within the next year, I think it will be hard to perfect cloning, so unless we can freeze eggs, then humanity is likely doomed. Also, it depends what kills off all human females. If it’s a virus that only affects people with XX chromosomes, then if we freeze eggs, and then fertilize them several years from now, when the virus has killed all its hosts and has thus likely disappeared, then we could get new females which would mean humanity continues. If it’s a crazy alien race that zaps every female human born, then humanity dies out. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/38 "2014-01-28T01:15:50Z")
> [@Polerius](#): > > If this happens within the next year, I think it will be hard to perfect cloning, so unless we can freeze eggs, then humanity is likely doomed. > > Also, it depends what kills off all human females. If it’s a virus that only affects people with XX chromosomes, then if we freeze eggs, and then fertilize them several years from now, when the virus has killed all its hosts and has thus likely disappeared, then we could get new females which would mean humanity continues. It’s in the first sentence of the OP: > [@](#): > > …and we can’t bring them back ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/39 "2014-01-28T02:41:53Z")
Finally! No more talking about my “feelings”. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848/40 "2014-01-28T03:14:26Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I mean, how would you feel if the day you turned 18, your dad offed himself while you’re still dealing with the fallout of only recently losing your mother? Adult or no, I’d be a wreck. You’re reading in a bunch of stuff that I didn’t say. Did I define the arrival of adulthood? No, I didn’t. (Such moments are often only clear in retrospect anyway.) Did I say just how soon after he attained adulthood it would be before I made my final swan dive? No, I didn’t. And I certainly said nothing to imply that I’d do it that very day, even if we knew what day it was. Also, what’s this about his having only recently lost his mother when I killed myself? I’m not going to consider him an adult before he graduates from elementary school. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-a-mans-world/679848.md?page=3)