# It's all about FREEDOM, people......... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 12, 2003, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316 "2003-04-12T20:45:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/21 "2003-04-13T11:39:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by coosa \* > \*\*I am an atheist. I started to write a post about how arrogant and offensive I found this . . . statement. \*\* Well don’t you know this automatically makes you un-American. > [@](#): > > \*\*However, after giving it some thought, I decided I’d rather go try to catch up on the “Spit or Swallow” thread. \*\* This would probably be a more productive use of your time & a hell of a lot less frustrating. > [@](#): > > \*\* OG bless blowjobs, for they make strong men weak and susceptible to manipulation! 😉 \*\* If OG is going to start blessing blowjobs, I’m going to start worshiping him/her. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/22 "2003-04-13T11:41:43Z")
Another convert to OG!!! ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/23 "2003-04-13T12:15:39Z")
> [@](#): > > You know the rules. Unless you have the Statue of Liberty Wonder you have to go through a period of anarchy before you can select the new form of government. Okay, I rarely post messages to this effect, but I LOL’ed. My roommate was asleep, so there will now be an uncomfortable few moments. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/24 "2003-04-13T12:34:23Z")
> [@](#): > > I think that by invading Iraq without a Resolution, we are in breach of the UN Charter because the Charter forbids a nation from attacking another nation **unless the former is attacked** , or is in imminent danger of attack, by the latter. Iraq was not an immediate threat to the U.S. Technically firing at our planes is an act of war. So the bolded part of your post applies. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/25 "2003-04-13T15:59:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Technically firing at our planes is an act of war. So the bolded part of your post applies. Technically, our planes were in violation of their airspace\*, so your reply is incorrect. - An action I supported. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/26 "2003-04-13T16:19:06Z")
I supported this war, albeit reluctantly, for reasons I’ve given elsewhere. And I think you have every right, **cartfanhef** , to be pleased at what this country did to remove Saddam Hussein, and be proud of our President for having done it. That said, this sticks in my craw: > [@](#): > > GET BEHIND OUR PRESIDENT— OR— GET A COUNTRY!!! Any person with as little concept of what the freedoms for which this country stands as to say something like this – well, I certainly can’t say that they should find another one, now, can I? But AFAIK your next post should be an essay on why opposition to the Administration in office at a given moment is a valuable right that Americans take all too lightly – good men have given their lives to preserve that right. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tropical\_Warlord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@The\_Tropical\_Warlord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tropical_Warlord)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/27 "2003-04-13T16:30:02Z")
And California’s spelled with a ‘C’, dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/28 "2003-04-13T17:50:47Z")
> [@](#): > > And California’s spelled with a ‘C’, dipshit. _Woosh!_ ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/29 "2003-04-13T18:21:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cartfanhef \* > **HEL-LOOO!!!** Hi! Your name doesn’t happen to be Jean Teasdale, does it? ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/30 "2003-04-13T18:28:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Already in Use \* > **I’m hoping the OP is a joke and there aren’t actually people that stupid out there…** While I am still on the fence as to the OP (joke or not), I can with 100% assurance inform you that this particular hope of yours is about to be dashed. So sorry, I really wish that things were different. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Already\_in\_Use](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Already\_in\_Use](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Already_in_Use)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/31 "2003-04-13T19:44:36Z")
For the love of Og, say it ain’t so! ---
**Author:** ![Juniper200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@Juniper200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Juniper200)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/32 "2003-04-13T20:07:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Reeder \* > \*\*Uhhh…[Halliburton already has a contract.](http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0325-11.htm) \*\* Welcome to Wooshville. Population: You. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/33 "2003-04-13T20:29:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Technically, our planes were in violation of their airspace\*, so your reply is incorrect. We were in their airspace, maybe - the UN sort of took that airsapce right away with the treaty they signed, and we were allowed to be in that airspace anyway according to the treaty they signed. So anyway you slice it it’s still an act of war. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/34 "2003-04-13T20:52:33Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s worth up to 7 Billion. That’s billion with a B. No bids…just handed to Halliburton. I think I read that there may be a judicial ruling on the legitimacy of that “contract.” I certainly hope so! Cartfanhef said: > [@](#): > > It’s all about FREEDOM, people…GET BEHIND OUR PRESIDENT— OR— GET A COUNTRY!!! Do you believe that the people of Iraq should have the freedom to criticize their new leaders (when they are in place) – or must they again remain silent if they believe something is wrong? It’s all about FREEDOM, Cartfanhef! GET BEHIND THE BILL OF RIGHTS – OR – MAKE ANOTHER IRONIC POST!!! ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/35 "2003-04-13T21:08:33Z")
**cartfanhef:** Since this is your first post on the SDMB, let me explain to you the importance of ‘post discipline’. See, you could write the most brilliant post in the history of the SDMB. You could solve hunger, fix the Palestinian problem, and solve Fermat’s theorem all in the same post. But if you then add something a little shaky or silly at the end of that glorious missive, all the good stuff will be completely ignored, and the one bad sentence at the end will be seized upon by your opponents to show how ‘stupid’ you are. You had a good point about Iraqi freedom. It DOES take away the moral case against war when the people you are invading are cheering and kissing you. Should have left it at that. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2003, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/36 "2003-04-14T00:36:56Z")
> [@](#): > > You had a good point about Iraqi freedom. It DOES take away the moral case against war when the people you are invading are cheering and kissing you. So morals aren’t absolute. They depend on whether x-number of people cheer you, or whether they throw feces at you? Is that the test? Horseshit! ---
**Author:** ![coosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@coosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coosa)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2003, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/37 "2003-04-14T02:22:32Z")
Hey, what happened to the OPer? Do you think he wandered off to look for the “S or S” thread and got lost? I should have posted a link to make it easy for him. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2003, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/38 "2003-04-14T04:15:43Z")
[driveby] Just wanted to point out that the title of this thread is a lot funnier if you imagine it being said by Richard Simmons. Heh heh. I’ll go elsewhere now. [/driveby] ---
**Author:** ![Already\_in\_Use](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Already\_in\_Use](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Already_in_Use)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2003, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/39 "2003-04-14T05:12:43Z")
Is there anything that _isn’t_ made funnier if you imagine it being said by Richard Simmons? ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2003, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/40 "2003-04-14T05:34:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Already in Use \* > \*\*Is there anything that _isn’t_ made funnier if you imagine it being said by Richard Simmons? \*\* “Hi, I’m your new roommate!” Not funny at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316.md?page=3)