# It's all about FREEDOM, people......... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 12, 2003, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316 "2003-04-12T20:45:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2003, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/61 "2003-06-27T01:10:45Z")
“Schooooool’s out for summah!” Anyway, cartfanhef whatever, I too rejoice in the liberation of the Iraqi people from Saddam and believe that, IN THE LONG RUN, this present nastiness will be looked back on as an aberration in the long, slow process of Iraq rejoining the nations of the world. However… I don’t think we were ready for what would happen. Although it’s hard to thwart people who will steal from orphans (one of the first images that really shocked me post-war was seeing an actual orphanage that had had its food looted, for Allah’s sake!) without wholesale shooting, there could and should have been much more detailed planning for what would happen after the war. Like I said, I am cautiously optimistic for the long run and still thrilled that Saddam is out of power, and I do remember those happy folks on April 9th and have read plenty of stories where people mention that they’re happy he’s gone, but… Oh yeah. If Barbra Streisand’s here, she hasn’t revealed herself. So if you’re after her, don’t start by going after us, hokay? ---
**Author:** ![pZott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pZott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pZott)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2003, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/62 "2003-06-27T19:41:31Z")
I normally don’t take part in Pit pile-ons, least of all those dealing with bordering-on-Trollish OPs. That being said however, in this case I simply wanted to offer up [this link](http://www.totalobscurity.net/), for all the OP’s shopping needs. _Note to OP: That web site is **satire** … you probably won’t have any luck buying those products. Sorry._ ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2003, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/63 "2003-06-27T20:28:54Z")
Cute little feller, ain’t he? Cartman, I realize you’re young. But you MUST realize that oversimplifying a world event and calling everyone who doesn’t think like you a “commie” is making your argument look idiotic. Everyone has a DUTY to examine and criticize the government. Not just a right…a DUTY. Silly kid. Start paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![Elza\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Elza\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elza_B)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2003, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/64 "2003-06-27T20:38:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cartfanhef \* > \*\* > GET BEHIND OUR PRESIDENT— OR— GET A COUNTRY!!! > \*\* “To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” ~Theodore Roosevelt I am proudly and fiercely American, but I will criticize the government any time I feel they’re committing a wrongdoing, and that is MY RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN. If I didn’t care so much about this country and want it to be the kind of place that we all _think_ it is, I wouldn’t bother putting forth the effort. Ava ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2003, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/65 "2003-06-27T20:39:15Z")
This from **pZott** ’s link: Udderly American Breastpump was moovelously funny. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2003, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/66 "2003-06-27T20:58:06Z")
I want the picture of the Jayzuz draped in a flag. All that crap about Bethlehem…I knew he was born in New Jersey! ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/67 "2003-06-27T21:29:55Z")
We get it. It’s just stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2003, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/68 "2003-06-27T21:31:02Z")
Hey look … a page 2! Who-da thunk? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2003, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/69 "2003-06-28T00:42:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lord\_vykor \* > \*\*And when those made-for-TV moments stop, the looting starts. The country descends into bloody anarchy, while US troops stand idly by doing what? \*\* Making sure no undesierables occupy the oil fields, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Ben\_Hicks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbce88/32.png) [@Ben\_Hicks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben_Hicks)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2003, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/70 "2003-06-28T01:00:15Z")
> [@](#): > > Since this is your first post on the SDMB, let me explain to you the importance of ‘post discipline’. > > See, you could write the most brilliant post in the history of the SDMB. You could solve hunger, fix the Palestinian problem, and solve Fermat’s theorem all in the same post. > > But if you then add something a little shaky or silly at the end of that glorious missive, all the good stuff will be completely ignored, and the one bad sentence at the end will be seized upon by your opponents to show how ‘stupid’ you are. > > You had a good point about Iraqi freedom. It DOES take away the moral case against war when the people you are invading are cheering and kissing you. > > Should have left it at that. And **Sam Stone** demonstrates his point through practical example. The odd news snippet of jubilant Iraqi’s gives us no more insight into how the plurality of Iraqi’s are actually feeling than those oft repeated clips of Palestinians cheering 9/11 showed how the majority of Palestinians were feeling at the time. At the moment it seems like for every happy Iraqi there’s a militant waiting to blow some unsuspecting soldiers head off. To assume CNN footage is in any way a reliable indicator of the welfare of Iraq’s civilian population is naive in the extreme. ---
**Author:** ![Ben\_Hicks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbce88/32.png) [@Ben\_Hicks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben_Hicks)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2003, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/71 "2003-06-28T01:03:54Z")
Oh, and the OP plumbs the depths of utter idiocy. > [@](#): > > \*\*"Did this military campaign go by the name “Operation Iraqi Oil”? NO! It was “Operation Iraqi Freedom”. > > HEL-LOOO!!!\*\* A picture is worth a thousand words. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316/72 "2003-07-22T16:49:40Z")
> [@](#): > > GET BEHIND OUR PRESIDENT— OR— GET A COUNTRY!!! I’ll take the country, thanks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-all-about-freedom-people/168316.md?page=3)