# It's always a fucking Pit Bull **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 24, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775 "2016-07-24T14:41:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/201 "2017-06-23T20:15:56Z")
My dog was bitten on his butt by a corgi mix , the dogs did their doggies thing sniff butt etc then when I turned around with my dog the corgi bite my dog on his butt ! I was hitting the dog with my cane and it didn’t let go ,the owners pulled their dog off. My daughter was bitten by a Russian wolf hound right on her face she is OK now and sheepdog attacked a dog in my city . My daughter had a pit bull mix and she was the sweetest dog , I believe it’s the way the dog is raises I was out with my black standard poodle at a park and when we were leaving the park some woman had a white standard poodle that jumped right out at my dog and me for no reason. My dog was my hearing dog and was well trained and people were afraid of him b/c he was black and we almost got attacked by a white dog. ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/202 "2017-06-24T02:04:33Z")
> **[East Bangor man admits pit bull attack on troopers](https://www.mcall.com/2017/06/24/east-bangor-man-admits-pit-bull-attack-on-troopers/)** > > A man who used his pit bull to fend off state troopers trying to arrest him as a burglary suspect avoided felony charges by pleading guilty Friday. Steven W. Berliner, 35, of East Bangor pleaded gu… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/203 "2017-06-24T02:08:41Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > [East Bangor man admits pit bull attack on troopers – The Morning Call](http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-bangor-man-assault-trooper-pit-bull-20170623-story.html) That sort of goes to the point that mean Pits are owned by assholes who encourage them to be mean. Go Google “Pit Bulls with kittens.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/204 "2017-06-24T02:10:00Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Sure they can. > > If the dog is attacking you, it is a pit bull. > > [I’ve linked this before.](http://www.pickthepit.com/) I got it right the first time; took me 0 seconds. I’ve been around Pit Bulls most of my life, tho (although I’ve never owned one personally). ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/205 "2017-06-24T02:16:49Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > [East Bangor man admits pit bull attack on troopers – The Morning Call](http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-bangor-man-assault-trooper-pit-bull-20170623-story.html) > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Another story about another dog called a “pit bull”. No cite for the breed of the dog, not even a picture of the dog. And it’s about a two-bit thief who used the dog as an attack dog. And the dog no doubt thought it was defending it’s half-wit criminal master. There’s your proof folks. It’s always a “pit bull”. When a dog attacks it has by definition become a “pit bull”. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/206 "2017-06-24T03:46:52Z")
[Child mauls Pit Bull](http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/322767/slide_322767_3052160_free.jpg). How many horrific scenes like this must we witness before people finally wise up and ban human children? Just look at this slideshow of [similar attacks all over the country](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/25/kids-pit-bulls-_n_4164240.html?slideshow=true#gallery/322767/0). Wake up people! ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/207 "2017-06-24T06:49:21Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > It’s always a fucking Pit Bull! Today, it was a husky. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/208 "2017-06-24T13:07:14Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > And yet all of those breeds are represented when the claim is that it was a pit bull. > > Not hard to people who actually know the difference, but there are quite a number out there that do not. Calling dogs which attack people, and have any plausible resemblance to APBT’s ‘pit bulls’ is one issue. But the ‘pit bull’ hysteria has a lot more facets to it than that. Our dog for example is probably a Dogo Argentino/APBT mix so she looks just like the Dogo in the photo array, if you don’t see the two next to one another and realize she’s too small to be a pure Dogo. So that means she’s not dangerous? No. A dog which looks just like her could be human aggressive as individual, although much less likely all else equal as spayed female, and in fact she’s the most pro-human dog imaginable, as an individual. But the bigger point is lack of any scientific evidence that human aggression in dogs varies much with breed compared to how it varies dog to dog, and critically importantly, _how it varies depending on how the dog is managed_, IOW _owner factors_. Which go far beyond ‘teaching it to be mean’. Some people like to have unfixed male dogs, even good dog owners w/ good dogs. But 80-90% of fatal dog attacks on people involve unfixed males (alone or as leaders in multi-dog attacks). That’s a real factor. There are others. No peer reviewed science has ever found breed to be one of them, that’s just something many people think they ‘know’. And general appearance translated into pseudo-breed, as in ‘pit bull’ is definitely not. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/209 "2017-06-24T15:27:39Z")
Fact is, every dog can bite. They have teeth, don’t they? The amazing thing is that the bite so rarely. God knows, we give them provocation enough! Sent from my SM-G386T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/210 "2017-12-18T02:11:48Z")
As you read this story say “wait for it…” [http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/ct-woman-mauled-own-dogs-20171216-story.html](http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/ct-woman-mauled-own-dogs-20171216-story.html) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/211 "2017-12-18T03:56:04Z")
[{Goochland County Sheriff James L.] Agnew … suspected that [the dogs] had been bred to fight.]([Virginia woman killed by her pit bulls in ‘grisly mauling’  – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/virginia-woman-killed-pitbulls-grisly-mauling-article-1.3703517)) ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/212 "2017-12-18T06:16:15Z")
Given that my utterly un-pit bull-like Puppers has been repeatedly called a pit bull or pit cross, I’ll call bullshit until we see some pictures. ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/213 "2017-12-18T06:50:21Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Another story about another dog called a “pit bull”. No cite for the breed of the dog, not even a picture of the dog. And it’s about a two-bit thief who used the dog as an attack dog. And the dog no doubt thought it was defending it’s half-wit criminal master. > > There’s your proof folks. It’s always a “pit bull”. When a dog attacks it has by definition become a “pit bull”. Wait a minute. The report says it was a pit bull. This is fairly well respected newspaper. Now we can’t cite newspaper reports? ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/214 "2017-12-18T07:16:07Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > Wait a minute. The report says it was a pit bull. This is fairly well respected newspaper. Now we can’t cite newspaper reports? Yeah right. Here’s a [journalist’s guide to Pitbull identification](https://imgur.com/a/qiTLo) for your perusal. [The Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics Behind Dog Bites](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/steffen-baldwin/the-lies-damn-lies-and-st_b_8112394.html) is a good read about how reliable press reports of “pitbull attacks” are. No idea whether these dogs were pitbulls or not, but newspaper reports saying that they were adds absolutely zero credibility to the claim. > [@](#): > > What is a Pit Bull?: It is commonly accepted that “pit bull” is not a breed but a loosely defined and general category. Definition of this category varies depending upon the source. Any blocky headed dog, or any mix of breeds that is between 35 and 100 pounds and upwards of 30 individual dog breeds may currently fall in this broad category through the use of visual breed identification. > > How are pit bulls identified?: Visual breed identification, or the extremely scientific (insert sarcasm) process of tilting your head 30 degrees to the right or left and guessing based on a few, basic traits and the inability to automatically identify the dog as something else, is how pit bulls are identified. Based upon the observation of a handful of variable breed-associated physical traits, such as coat color, body size, skull shape and whether the ears are erect or floppy. These physical traits are found in many different breeds and are controlled by approximately 50 of the roughly 20,000 genes that create a dog. > > Dog bite “statistics” are based off of media reports found online where pit bull type attacks are proven to be reported thousands of times more often than dog bite stories involving other breeds. Hardly a scientific, objective, or accurate way to collect information and in fact, there is a proven bias and over reporting when it comes to dogs labeled as pit bulls. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/215 "2017-12-18T14:30:41Z")
We should listen to the woman’s best friend (quoted in another story defending the dogs): _“The wounds on her hands, face and throat were probably from them protecting her,” Norris said."_ [http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article190250629.html#storylink=cpy](http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article190250629.html#storylink=cpy) ---
**Author:** ![Gus\_Gusterson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85f322/32.png) [@Gus\_Gusterson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gus_Gusterson)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/216 "2017-12-18T14:38:25Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > We should listen to the woman’s best friend (quoted in another story defending the dogs): > > _“The wounds on her hands, face and throat were probably from them protecting her,” Norris said."_ Is she saying that she believes that someone attacked the woman and any wounds she suffered that can be linked to the dogs are the result of the dogs accidentally biting their owner while trying to protect her by biting her attacker? I’m assuming that an autopsy will be performed and they will be able to establish whether she suffered any injuries that weren’t inflicted by the dogs. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/217 "2017-12-18T19:35:25Z")
Something doesn’t add up. The dogs are described as weighing between 100 and 120 pounds. The group of dog breeds lumped under the catchall term of “pit bull” weigh no more than 50 or 60 pounds. They are not huge dogs. > **[Pit bull](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull)** > > Pit bull is a term used in the United States for a type of dog descended from bulldogs and terriers, while in other countries such as the United Kingdom the term is used as an abbreviation of the American Pit Bull Terrier breed. The term was first used in 1927. Within the United States the pit bull is usually considered a heterogeneous grouping that includes the breeds American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, Staffordshire Bull Terrier and occasionall Pit bull... ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/218 "2017-12-18T19:52:24Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Something doesn’t add up. The dogs are described as weighing between 100 and 120 pounds. The group of dog breeds lumped under the catchall term of “pit bull” weigh no more than 50 or 60 pounds. They are not huge dogs. > > [Pit bull - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull) The dog at the bottom of the article linked in post #211 looks like a Lab mix to me. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/219 "2017-12-18T21:35:41Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Something doesn’t add up. The dogs are described as weighing between 100 and 120 pounds. The group of dog breeds lumped under the catchall term of “pit bull” weigh no more than 50 or 60 pounds. They are not huge dogs. > > [Pit bull - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull) [American Bullies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Bully) can definitely reach that size. They’re a very new breed, just recognized within the last fifteen, that came from crossing pitties and staffies, plus some other “bully breeds”, mostly from the bulldog family, though the larger ones have some Cane Corso or mastiff in the bloodlines. They can definitely top 100 pounds, more if their weight isn’t kept in check. Am. Bullies are also almost exactly what the average American sees when they think pit bull. They’re mean looking dogs packing a lotta muscle - they can be very intimidating the first time you see one. Because of their size and heft, breeders have actually spent a LOT of time and energy breeding dog and human aggression out of the line - any animal with that size and strength could be dangerous, and is best if bred and trained to be very docile and gentle. For as scary as they can appear, they’re wonderful and peaceful indoors, though definitely need a good amount of exercise and room to run outside. Every one I’ve worked with has been fantastic with other dogs, even if they unintentionally cause problems - they are canine bowling balls. Not a dog I would suggest to a family with small children, but only because they’re so damn big. > [@Skywatcher](#): > > The dog at the bottom of the article linked in post #211 looks like a Lab mix to me. Yup, there’s nothing pibble in that photo except the brindle. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/220 "2017-12-18T21:59:32Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Yup, there’s nothing pibble in that photo except the brindle. But it’s always a pit bull. I learned that on the internet! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775.md?page=12)