# It's always a fucking Pit Bull **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 24, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775 "2016-07-24T14:41:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/121 "2016-07-26T03:50:59Z")
I tend to fall close, but not all the way, on the pro-pit-bull side of this debate. Anti-breed ordinances are ineffective; media accounts are overblown; pit bulls can be fine family dogs. And yet. When I worked for animal control, one of my first experiences was working with evidence for a dogfighting trial. The pits in this case were bred for game, which meant in this case that they really, really wanted to kill other dogs. The puppies that were seized started fighting one another so viciously at around 8 weeks (I think it was 8 weeks, might’ve been a little later) that they had to be separated for their own safety. Lots of dogs have different behaviors bred into them (or rather bred for emphasis), whether it’s retrieving or territoriality or gentleness or a desire to follow scent trails. It’s certainly plausible that you could breed for anti-dog aggression. And certainly breeders into modern times–illegal breeders, but breeders nonetheless–have tried for that. And what I’ve seen makes me think it can be horrifyingly successful. So I’m mostly on the pro-pit side, but I also think it’s important to recognize that some pit bulls (a term I’m happy to use because seriously fuck the AKC) ARE inherently dog-aggressive, having been bred for that. Not all pits, not by a long shot–but some, and significantly more have been bred for that trait in recent times than, say, golden retrievers. What that means for public policy? It means shut down the assholes breeding for aggression. It doesn’t mean anti-breed policies. ---
**Author:** ![katpohl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b782af/32.png) [@katpohl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katpohl)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/122 "2016-07-26T04:28:46Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > That study posted above has one seriously stupid assed point. They point out that fatal dog attacks have at least 4 out of X number of mitigating factors. Fair enough. > > But when it comes to fatal dog attacks, the fact the victim doesn’t have some OTHER able bodied person there to save their ass is one fucking dumb assed point. > > So, if you are a dog owner, and you are stupid enough to actually be ALONE with it and it kills you, that’s just bad dog ownership? > > Christ on a cracker. IMO , it’s wouldn’t be caused by "bad dog ownership " , but most likely, by long term horrible inhuman abuses and plain stupidity, on the owners part, that would be the cause. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/123 "2016-07-26T04:57:13Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I tend to fall close, but not all the way, on the pro-pit-bull side of this debate. Anti-breed ordinances are ineffective; media accounts are overblown; pit bulls can be fine family dogs. > > And yet. > > When I worked for animal control, one of my first experiences was working with evidence for a dogfighting trial. The pits in this case were bred for game, which meant in this case that they really, really wanted to kill other dogs. The puppies that were seized started fighting one another so viciously at around 8 weeks (I think it was 8 weeks, might’ve been a little later) that they had to be separated for their own safety. > > Lots of dogs have different behaviors bred into them (or rather bred for emphasis), whether it’s retrieving or territoriality or gentleness or a desire to follow scent trails. It’s certainly plausible that you could breed for anti-dog aggression. And certainly breeders into modern times–illegal breeders, but breeders nonetheless–have tried for that. And what I’ve seen makes me think it can be horrifyingly successful. > > So I’m mostly on the pro-pit side, but I also think it’s important to recognize that some pit bulls (a term I’m happy to use because seriously fuck the AKC) ARE inherently dog-aggressive, having been bred for that. Not all pits, not by a long shot–but some, and significantly more have been bred for that trait in recent times than, say, golden retrievers. > > What that means for public policy? It means shut down the assholes breeding for aggression. It doesn’t mean anti-breed policies. In my experience most aggressive dogs act out of fear. This can be due to a lack of socialization or by dealing with discredited bullshit that is shilled by idiots like Cesar Millan. Discredited techniques like the alpha roll cause aggression and socialization of older dogs of any kind only benefits dogs if they find it enjoyable. People punish minor acts of stress or aggressive behaviour. The dog may stop exhibiting “aggressive displays” but at the the risk that the next time the dog is in the same situation that they skip the bark, or the growl and move to the next stage. Mix this in with the anxiety, fear and phobias caused by enforcing the “pack” leader mentality and you have serious problems. The “pack” and “dominance” theory is discredited and destructive and even the authors whom originally wrote the book that originally claimed it was true have recanted the claims decades ago. [http://4pawsu.com/alphawolf.pdf](http://4pawsu.com/alphawolf.pdf) > [@](#): > > I crafted my book The Wolf: Ecology and Behavior of an Endangered Speciesin the late 1960s. This book was a synthesis of available wolf information at the time, so I included much reference to Schenkel’s study. The book was timely because no other synthesis about the wolf had been written since 1944, so ‘The Wolf’ sold well. It was originally published in 1970 and republished in paperback in 1981 and is still in print. Over 120,000 copies are now in circulation. Most other general wolf books have relied considerably on ‘The Wolf’ for information, thus spreading the misinformation about alpha wolves far and wide." – L. David Mech. While dog fighting and misguided guard dog training may be responsible for some of the attacks it is maladjustment that causes the danger. If you have the stomach to see what is done to fighting dogs to make them fight you will see that starvation, abuse, isolation, and drugging are used to drive the dogs to fight. Well socialized, dominant personality dogs do not fight like they do. They don’t need to as they are social mammals. The anxiety and aggression that result from social isolation applies to humans and other mammals too. While I am very selective I have spent my entire adult life adopting or working with neglected special needs dogs. I tend towards huskies just because their are so many that are in need of homes and because of their physical needs and their need for positive training. They are a weird case, because like other sled dogs they were bred to ignore humans commands if they thought it was in their best interest. You don’t want your team going onto thin ice as an example, they should overrule you. But this also means that the alpha roll crap is ignored and the only thing they take away from it is what all dogs do, that their human is unpredictable and needs to be feared. But another critical point to bring up after my last paragraph is that while there are some very generic claims on behavior you can make about pure bred dogs due to their extremely limited gene pool all of that goes out the window with mixed breeds. They are just dogs. But what does happen is when someone owns a mixed breed that they think is a pit they treat them like they are a dangerous weapon. They admonish signs of stress in response to what they believe the dog is. This is the issue, vicious psychopathic dogs are as rare psychopathic humans. If you were going to blame a trait of pure bred staffies I would blame tenacity which is a very common problem in training using dominance based techniques. But after 200+ years of breeding as companion animals I find that suspect. > **[Co-occurrence of potentially preventable factors in 256 dog bite–related...](https://avmajournals.avma.org/view/journals/javma/243/12/javma.243.12.1726.xml)** > > Abstract Objective—To examine potentially preventable factors in human dog bite–related fatalities (DBRFs) on the basis of data from sources that were more complete, verifiable, and accurate than media reports used in previous studies.... The main risk factors from the above cite demonstrate that a number of factors lead to the tragic loss of life. And primarily it is an issue of people whom are unfamiliar with dogs coming in contact with socially isolated, abused dogs. > [@](#): > > Results—Major co-occurrent factors for the 256 DBRFs included absence of an able-bodied person to intervene (n = 223 [87.1%]), incidental or no familiar relationship of victims with dogs (218 [85.2%]), owner failure to neuter dogs (216 [84.4%]), compromised ability of victims to interact appropriately with dogs (198 [77.4%]), dogs kept isolated from regular positive human interactions versus family dogs (195 [76.2%]), owners’ prior mismanagement of dogs (96 [37.5%]), and owners’ history of abuse or neglect of dogs (54 [21.1%]). Four or more of these factors co-occurred in 206 (80.5%) deaths. For 401 dogs described in various media accounts, reported breed differed for 124 (30.9%); for 346 dogs with both media and animal control breed reports, breed differed for 139 (40.2%). Valid breed determination was possible for only 45 (17.6%) DBRFs; 20 breeds, including 2 known mixes, were identified. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/124 "2016-07-26T05:00:21Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > That study posted above has one seriously stupid assed point. They point out that fatal dog attacks have at least 4 out of X number of mitigating factors. Fair enough. > > But when it comes to fatal dog attacks, the fact the victim doesn’t have some OTHER able bodied person there to save their ass is one fucking dumb assed point. > > So, if you are a dog owner, and you are stupid enough to actually be ALONE with it and it kills you, that’s just bad dog ownership? > > Christ on a cracker. “OTHER able bodied person” typically means an adult if you look at the data. You have a little kid run up and hug an abused, unsocialized, isolated dog and bad things happen. It is listed as a common factor in the attacks and a cause of death not as a predicate for attack. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/125 "2016-07-26T05:12:29Z")
And from that study to show how insanely rare these deaths are. > [@](#): > > Frequency of fatal bites-Fatal dog bites were extremely > rare throughout the 10-year period of study, > with a mean of 25.6 events/yin an annual human population > of approximately 295.5 million and an annual > dog population of approximately 68.8 million. This corresponded > to approximately **0.087 fatal bites/1,000,000 > person-years **and** 0.38 fatal bites/1,000,000 dogs in the > United States**. And the reasons victim was deemed unable to interact appropriately. > [@](#): > > Among the 143 DBRFs where the victim was > deemed unable to interact appropriately with the dog, > this inability was due to age ( \< 5 years) in 116 (81.1 %) > cases. However, of the remaining 27 victims whose ability > to interact was compromised, 24 were persons :::‘.’. 15 > years. Most of these older individuals (16/24 [66.7%]) > were adults compromised as a result of drug or alcohol > intake. Five others were compromised because of > Alzheimer’s disease, dementia, or an uncontrolled seizure > disorder. ---
**Author:** ![katpohl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b782af/32.png) [@katpohl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katpohl)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/126 "2016-07-26T05:43:31Z")
I once had a pit bull cross chow, named Sadie who’s only claim’s to fame was she was stingy with the pillows and was capable of snuggling a full grown person right off the bed. She was a black brindled strawberry blonde with a pit bull head and a chows fur . One morning my 7 year old daughter was out doing her chores , feeding and watering the poultry, when she surprised a 4 foot ring tailed diamond back who had been eyeing one of the hens . Sadie knocked my girl away from the snake and stayed between my girl and the snake , barking and raising hell un till I got there with the . 410 shot gun. Sadie took the strike that had been meant for the kid . Lucky for Sadie , her barking and the screaming kid and the thick chow fur ,that when the dust settled there was a dead snake , and a very brave protective dog with a slight scratch who was being hugged so tight by that kid the poor dog could hardly breathe. Pit bulls are loyal, brave and very protective of their humans when raised as part of the family . When I see some gang banger or thug ‘walking’ around with a pit bull at the end of a log chain and a choke collar, I want to do the dog the favor by ridding it of the stupid human. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/127 "2016-07-26T16:19:56Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Actually this page [Fatal Dog Bite Injury Studies - Dog Bite Studies Index - DogsBite.org](http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php) seems to have the same statistics set out better and you can see that if the top three breeds (or dogs that can be mistaken for them) were gone, the death and injury count would plummet. > [@RickJay](#): > > [U.S. Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org](http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics.php) > [@elliott](#): > > Also please don’t link [dogsbite.org](http://dogsbite.org) as a source on these issues. Their standard of data gathering is horrible. They rely on news reports to assess the dogs breed (which we know isn’t reliable) and have a very clear anti pitbull bias. Places like the AKC and even the CDC advise against breed laws. That’s a big deal considering the CDC is the only group who’s done any actual peer reviewed research on dog bites. > [@Pit Bulls (continued)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/671): > > [Colleen Lynn of DogsBite.org blames interstate crash on pit bull.](http://www.swaylove.org/colleen-lynn-now-blaming-pit-bulls-for-interstate-crashes) Watch out, Toonces! > > [Colleen Lynn very inconsistent concerning details of her own attack.](http://legal.pblnn.com/pro-bsl-experts/dogbiteorg/109-collen-lynn-seattle-animal-control-records) Bite pattern inconsistent with her being dragged, [contrary to her claims](http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/woman-attacked-by-pit-bull-wants-to-change-law/nKc8L/). > [@Pit Bulls (continued)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/672): > > How can anything anti-pit on [dogsbite.org](http://dogsbite.org) be accurate when she’s so full of shit regarding the attack which led to the creation of the site? … ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/128 "2016-07-26T16:56:53Z")
Let’s not forget that [Colleen Lynn is a professional fortune teller](http://who.is/whois/runecast.com). You’re dealing with the dog world’s version of **ZPG Zealot** there, people! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/129 "2016-07-26T19:02:59Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > If you have the stomach to see what is done to fighting dogs to make them fight you will see that starvation, abuse, isolation, and drugging are used to drive the dogs to fight. Well socialized, dominant personality dogs do not fight like they do. They don’t need to as they are social mammals. The anxiety and aggression that result from social isolation applies to humans and other mammals too. Believe me. Part of my job used to be talking to students at a rural high school about animal cruelty, and I’d regularly have a third of the class who had attended an organized dog fight. I’d have students talk about their brother’s pit and how he terrorized the dog in order to drive it insane so it would be crazy in the fight. I’d show students a graphic video about dogfighting, produced by HSUS. The evidence I worked with included a photograph of a dog post-fight, with a bone sticking out of her leg. I know there’s terrible stuff done. At the same time, one of the dogs that was seized broke out of her kennel one night (the facilities we had were atrocious, such that this was possible), and left a trail of blood through the shelter as she went from kennel to kennel apparently slamming herself against bars trying to get at the dogs inside. That’s not just dominance behavior. That’s something more. > [@](#): > > But another critical point to bring up after my last paragraph is that while there are some very generic claims on behavior you can make about pure bred dogs due to their extremely limited gene pool all of that goes out the window with mixed breeds. They are just dogs. I disagree. People have been breeding dogs for personality traits for tens of thousands of years; the concept of “purebred” is only a few centuries old. It’s true that a line of dogs that’s not bred for behavior will quickly see behavior traits slip to the median; but amateur breeding outside of purebred programs is quite capable of producing traits. A couple of backwoods rednecks who want to create a mean-as-shit fighting dog can breed mean-as-shit dogs together for a few generations and produce a real doozy, just as they could produce a dog with good hunting instincts using similar methods. This is not how most pit bulls are bred, of course, and the problem is that people generalize from this. But some pit bulls ARE bred for “game”, and some breeders satisfy themselves with breeding a dog who wants to kill other dogs, considering that close enough to game for their purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Jennshark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Jennshark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennshark)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/130 "2016-07-26T20:04:10Z")
According to a very long-running (40 years?) canine temperament research project, pitbulls/Am staffies have an 86.4% “good doggie” rating (they score a bit above golden retrievers). Dogs with a much lower positive temperament rating than pits include: chihuahuas (68.3%), jack russells, bichon friches, daschunds, and other small, highstrung, bitey dogs. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/131 "2016-07-26T20:18:43Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I hope this is a parody. Because it should disturb anyone that they are making the exact same arguments used by racists. “I don’t have anything to back me up, but it really is always this group I hate.” > > I had actually assumed this was going to be a repeat of the thread where people complained about attacking dogs always being labeled as Pit Bulls. > > Problem is that, either way, I think more poorly of Leaffan. Either he’s being stupid in the way racists are, or he’s trolling, pretending to believe something he doesn’t. Let’s go down to the quarry and take a dump. This is dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/132 "2016-07-26T21:56:00Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I hope this is a parody. Because it should disturb anyone that they are making the exact same arguments used by racists. “I don’t have anything to back me up, but it really is always this group I hate.” > > I had actually assumed this was going to be a repeat of the thread where people complained about attacking dogs always being labeled as Pit Bulls. > > Problem is that, either way, I think more poorly of Leaffan. Either he’s being stupid in the way racists are, or he’s trolling, pretending to believe something he doesn’t. Doggie racism? ---
**Author:** ![Jennshark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Jennshark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennshark)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/133 "2016-07-27T14:08:24Z")
> [@Jennshark](#): > > According to a very long-running (40 years?) canine temperament research project, pitbulls/Am staffies have an 86.4% “good doggie” rating (they score a bit above golden retrievers). > > Dogs with a much lower positive temperament rating than pits include: chihuahuas (68.3%), jack russells, bichon friches, daschunds, and other small, highstrung, bitey dogs. I had to jet out yesterday before I was able to provide cites. The ATTS Breed Statistics – rather fascinating: [http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/](http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/) ATTS has been testing canines since 1977. I’m not statistic-y inclined, but it looks as if the hundreds of pits/Am Staffies tested makes for a pretty solid rating; the breeds with a minimal amount of participation would seem to not produce valid ratings. This site is worth reading just for the funky breed names! ---
**Author:** ![Jennshark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Jennshark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennshark)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/134 "2016-07-27T14:30:43Z")
Here’s my fucking pitbull puppy: http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/JennDiamond1967/0313161440-1.jpg"][http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/JennDiamond1967/0313161440-1.jpg](http://s628.photobucket.com/user/JennDiamond1967/media/0313161440-1.jpg.html) Viciousness!: http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/JennDiamond1967/0313161446.jpg"][http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/JennDiamond1967/0313161446.jpg](http://s628.photobucket.com/user/JennDiamond1967/media/0313161446.jpg.html) Death by kisses: http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/JennDiamond1967/Front.jpg"][http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/JennDiamond1967/Front.jpg](http://s628.photobucket.com/user/JennDiamond1967/media/Front.jpg.html) ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/135 "2016-07-27T14:37:48Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I’ll admit that I don’t remember anyone ever suggesting my family’s Saint was anything but a Saint. My uncle’s Pyrenees got mistaken for Saint Bernard’s a lot, conversely. Apparently “hairy, friendly, sofa-sized dog” = Saint Bernard. **Jennshark** , the third pic is a car. Does BMW have a Pitbull model? ---
**Author:** ![Jennshark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Jennshark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennshark)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/136 "2016-07-27T14:39:59Z")
Uh, “Death by Kisses” is, obviously, not a pitbull puppy. I missed the edit window, so enjoy 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jennshark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Jennshark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennshark)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/137 "2016-07-27T14:42:16Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > My uncle’s Pyrenees got mistaken for Saint Bernard’s a lot, conversely. Apparently “hairy, friendly, sofa-sized dog” = Saint Bernard. > > **Jennshark** , the third pic is a car. Does BMW have a Pitbull model? Yes, it’s the new 535i Pitbull Limited Edition. 😃 I missed the edit window to fix after I realized it was wrong pic, LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/138 "2016-07-27T14:53:03Z")
Comes with a preloaded selection of dance hits by a head-shaven Cuban-American in the music system! ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/139 "2016-07-27T14:55:25Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Doggie racism? BigTerrior ain’t no dawg ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775/140 "2016-07-27T15:03:14Z")
> [@Jennshark](#): > > I had to jet out yesterday before I was able to provide cites. The ATTS Breed Statistics – rather fascinating: [http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/](http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/) … [snip] This study has one major flaw … it only covers people who volunteer to bring their dogs in to be tested. People who already know their dogs are nasty weren’t tested at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-always-a-fucking-pit-bull/760775.md?page=8)