# It's an Enigma. Part II: After the Math Riddle **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [June 15, 2009, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832 "2009-06-15T14:20:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Shark\_Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shark\_Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shark_Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/83 "2009-06-17T18:16:05Z")
Dreamhost shows that domain registered on the 12th of April; I think we’re on to something. Nice goin’ **sadrobot**! ---
**Author:** ![spinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@spinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spinky)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/84 "2009-06-17T18:17:25Z")
> [@D.W.W](#): > > Microsoft employee here. Just went by building 88, and looked at the dollar bill. It has an N cutout, not a T. I’ll posts a photo as soon as I can. WTF? Why would she say T? Unless it was my mistake. Glad you dropped by… ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/85 "2009-06-17T18:17:47Z")
Well. We have 3 days to figure out where that is. Dopefest! 🙂 \*\*\* Ponder ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/86 "2009-06-17T18:34:35Z")
One thing that jumps out at me is how the streets aren’t aligned with the edges of the image. It’s always possible that the puzzle creator rotated the image, but assuming they didn’t, what city has their streets offset from the compass by that angle? Manhattan, maybe? \*\*\* Ponder ---
**Author:** ![Shark\_Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shark\_Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shark_Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/87 "2009-06-17T18:37:19Z")
> [@Ponderoid](#): > > One thing that jumps out at me is how the streets aren’t aligned with the edges of the image. It’s always possible that the puzzle creator rotated the image, but assuming they didn’t, what city has their streets offset from the compass by that angle? Manhattan, maybe? > > \*\*\* Ponder Looks like a lot of white and yellow taxis as well. ---
**Author:** ![Shark\_Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shark\_Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shark_Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/88 "2009-06-17T18:47:31Z")
Manhattan looks promising. Google maps shows the lighting, shadows, and street layout to be very close. ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/89 "2009-06-17T18:53:15Z")
There were 2 envelopes in Manhattan, and all other cities only had one. I was just looking at the sat views of Manhattan this morning, which is why I guessed it. \*\*\* Ponder ---
**Author:** ![sadrobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5a626/32.png) [@sadrobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sadrobot)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/90 "2009-06-17T19:07:22Z")
Found it on Google maps: https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=&ie=UTF8&ll=40.736039,-73.986713&spn=0.000978,0.002414&t=h&z=19 ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/91 "2009-06-17T19:17:23Z")
Wow. How did you do that so fast? ---
**Author:** ![Shark\_Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shark\_Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shark_Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/92 "2009-06-17T19:21:43Z")
> [@Ponderoid](#): > > Wow. How did you do that so fast? No kidding, I’d like to know too. I plugged everything into PhotoShop and was using the original as a transparency to fit into place like a jigsaw puzzle piece. Figured it’d take me a couple of hours at least. ---
**Author:** ![badlyburnttoast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@badlyburnttoast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badlyburnttoast)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/93 "2009-06-17T19:26:22Z")
Nice job **sadrobot** Nothing really stands out to me from google street view. Anyone in the area wanna go knocking on doors? heh. ---
**Author:** ![JFLuvly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac91a4/32.png) [@JFLuvly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JFLuvly)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/94 "2009-06-17T19:28:06Z")
I think it’s the Cibar Lounge 56 Irving Pl [http://www.cibarlounge.com/](http://www.cibarlounge.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/95 "2009-06-17T19:40:59Z")
I was trying to “walk” the route in between the 2 envelope locations, but I was looking closer to the center of the route. I once created a quest in a MMOG ([There.com](http://There.com)), where the penultimate clue said “Find the last clue exactly halfway between where you found clues #4 and #7”. \*\*\* Ponder ---
**Author:** ![Shark\_Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shark\_Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shark_Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/96 "2009-06-17T19:48:15Z")
So can we get a volunteer to be there on the 20th at 8pm? I’m in Florida, so it’d be a LONG drive for me. ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/97 "2009-06-17T19:53:42Z")
I’m in the DC area. I have relatives in CT, and my work schedule is flexible, but I’m not sure if the trip is in my budget right now. _sigh_. Given the venue, it looks like they might be prepared to throw a little bash for the successful questers. Let’s not spread the news _too_ far. If word gets out, it might turn into a flash mob. \*\*\* Ponder ---
**Author:** ![Shark\_Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shark\_Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shark_Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/98 "2009-06-17T20:04:46Z")
Understood. I meant someone following the thread. I’ve got a couple of friends in NYC, but they’re not Dopers, so I wouldn’t ask them. ---
**Author:** ![cantara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6f9a4e/32.png) [@cantara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cantara)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/99 "2009-06-17T20:29:36Z")
Damn that was fun just to read! Even knowing the answers I’m amazed at the ingenuity of the Stan/Ants/3outof4/Ian/Gina/Nina/… and of the dopers who solved it. My own (useless) contribution: [http://www.itsanenigma.com/system/app/pages/recentChanges](http://www.itsanenigma.com/system/app/pages/recentChanges) [http://www.simianagent.com/system/app/pages/recentChanges](http://www.simianagent.com/system/app/pages/recentChanges) (doesn’t have dates?) [http://www.demonetise.com/system/app/pages/recentChanges](http://www.demonetise.com/system/app/pages/recentChanges) This has been planned and set up for quite a while. Well played 3outof4! Can’t wait for the next one! And what happened to Here Come Dots? He should be all over this! PS. Is it too early to ask for an explanation of the formula-\>password cypher? ---
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/100 "2009-06-17T20:34:22Z")
Why do you suppose that picture is hosted on [foible.net](http://foible.net) rather than [www.demonetise.com](http://www.demonetise.com)? I also note that [foible.net](http://foible.net) is registered by one Alex Schoenbaum from Austin, TX, who also has a Twitter account under the name “foible,” who also seems to have some Twitter correspondance with **HereComeDots**. ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/101 "2009-06-17T20:39:19Z")
I think they’re reading this thread. There’s alt-text on that pic that wasn’t there before. When I first looked at the site, the pic was here: [![](https://www.google.com/a/demonetise.com/ServiceLogin?service=jotspot&passive=1209600&continue=https://869789182725854870-a-demonetise-com-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/demonetise.com/www/images/June20at8PM.jpg?attredirects%3D0%26auth%3DANoY7cpjpvZ5hpP_KVb8tCkr80Cph87uVBANj2OO_u7cnPNUt8L726YtjLvubRCYRCjAabT8yK-TeFRzDDemMRHYp-UVtZcGtSZYmad7tTqc1eAn6RGcmOiRGI_aTSIdqbf1UA-J7_1KUNk8lgnSe2AiAmsAAjvowgsIxBGp3GlPAIvuA_Tt8g4YlRNuo17rxhRzm9t_mrCShWjZQDMRyw0rAqslQObOzQ%253D%253D&followup=https://869789182725854870-a-demonetise-com-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/demonetise.com/www/images/June20at8PM.jpg?attredirects%3D0%26auth%3DANoY7cpjpvZ5hpP_KVb8tCkr80Cph87uVBANj2OO_u7cnPNUt8L726YtjLvubRCYRCjAabT8yK-TeFRzDDemMRHYp-UVtZcGtSZYmad7tTqc1eAn6RGcmOiRGI_aTSIdqbf1UA-J7_1KUNk8lgnSe2AiAmsAAjvowgsIxBGp3GlPAIvuA_Tt8g4YlRNuo17rxhRzm9t_mrCShWjZQDMRyw0rAqslQObOzQ%253D%253D&ul=1) ](https://www.google.com/a/demonetise.com/ServiceLogin?service=jotspot&passive=1209600&continue=https://869789182725854870-a-demonetise-com-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/demonetise.com/www/images/June20at8PM.jpg?attredirects%3D0%26auth%3DANoY7cpjpvZ5hpP_KVb8tCkr80Cph87uVBANj2OO_u7cnPNUt8L726YtjLvubRCYRCjAabT8yK-TeFRzDDemMRHYp-UVtZcGtSZYmad7tTqc1eAn6RGcmOiRGI_aTSIdqbf1UA-J7_1KUNk8lgnSe2AiAmsAAjvowgsIxBGp3GlPAIvuA_Tt8g4YlRNuo17rxhRzm9t_mrCShWjZQDMRyw0rAqslQObOzQ%253D%253D&followup=https://869789182725854870-a-demonetise-com-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/demonetise.com/www/images/June20at8PM.jpg?attredirects%3D0%26auth%3DANoY7cpjpvZ5hpP_KVb8tCkr80Cph87uVBANj2OO_u7cnPNUt8L726YtjLvubRCYRCjAabT8yK-TeFRzDDemMRHYp-UVtZcGtSZYmad7tTqc1eAn6RGcmOiRGI_aTSIdqbf1UA-J7_1KUNk8lgnSe2AiAmsAAjvowgsIxBGp3GlPAIvuA_Tt8g4YlRNuo17rxhRzm9t_mrCShWjZQDMRyw0rAqslQObOzQ%253D%253D&ul=1) But now it’s on [foible.net](http://foible.net), and there’s alt-text. \*\*\* Ponder ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832/102 "2009-06-17T20:40:24Z")
Woah, you look the other way for a couple of hours… Brilliant work, guys, and props to **sadrobot** for piecing together the last part! I can’t wait to hear back from whoever is able to make the appointment… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-an-enigma-part-ii-after-the-math-riddle/499832.md?page=6)