# It's called an Arnold Palmer for a reason, douche. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 19, 2007, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707 "2007-05-19T08:33:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/121 "2007-05-20T18:00:56Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] I propose that a “Tiger Woods” be composed of equal parts lemonade, Thai iced tea, and Colt 45. [/QUOTE] No watermelon juice? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/122 "2007-05-20T18:03:02Z")
[QUOTE=monstro] No watermelon juice? [/QUOTE] No substitutions, please. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/123 "2007-05-20T18:12:56Z")
My Tiger Woods would be one third lemonade, one-third tea, and one-third pot liquor. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/124 "2007-05-20T18:16:34Z")
[QUOTE=monstro] My Tiger Woods would be one third lemonade, one-third tea, and one-third pot liquor. [/QUOTE] Someone should come up with a drink that is orange and black stripes. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/125 "2007-05-20T18:17:48Z")
[QUOTE=monstro] Woods remarked that this was how he defined himself as a kid. [/QUOTE] Has he recanted? At any rate, he is more Thai than Black. His father, IIRC, has white and Cherokee ancestors, while his mother is strictly Thai. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/126 "2007-05-20T18:20:54Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] Someone should come up with a drink that is orange and black stripes. [/QUOTE] Fanta Orange and Coke might work, but good luck getting the layers. Especially vertically. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/127 "2007-05-20T18:25:33Z")
Update. His mother is half Thai, half Chinese. And he referred to himself as Cablinasian (not Cablasian, as I stated earlier) as an adult, after his first Masters win. It seems that is much more than “how he defined himself as a kid.” [Cite.](http://www.salon.com/april97/tiger970430.html) ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/128 "2007-05-20T18:35:57Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Has he recanted? At any rate, he is more Thai than Black. His father, IIRC, has white and Cherokee ancestors, while his mother is strictly Thai. [/QUOTE] No, he hasn’t recanted. But I don’t think he goes around calling himself “Cablanasian” now. And while his pedigree isn’t 50% negro, that doesn’t count for squat when it comes to race in America. As I’m sure both his father and experience has taught him. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/129 "2007-05-20T18:36:21Z")
[QUOTE=monstro] No watermelon juice? [/QUOTE] Fuzzy. Is that you? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/130 "2007-05-20T18:43:51Z")
[QUOTE=monstro] No, he hasn’t recanted. But I don’t think he goes around calling himself “Cablanasian” now. [/QUOTE] He did in 1997, as I noted above. [Heres’s a 2002 cite.](http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=2582) [One from 2000.](http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnists/wickham/wick095.htm) ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/131 "2007-05-20T18:47:05Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Update. His mother is half Thai, half Chinese. And he referred to himself as Cablinasian (not Cablasian, as I stated earlier) as an adult, after his first Masters win. It seems that is much more than “how he defined himself as a kid.” [Cite.](http://www.salon.com/april97/tiger970430.html) [/QUOTE] He said “Cablinasian” was a term he came up with as a kid. He has said now he defines himself as “What you see is what you get”. I’m not hating on Tiger, because I’m all about identifying yourself the way you want to. But the guy has taken advantage of “blackness” when it has suited him. The barriers he has talked about crossing (remember that whole Nike campaign a few years back?) were not placed there because of his white or Asian ancestry. The Fuzzy Zoeller kind of comments he has received did not target his whiteness or Asianness, but his blackness. So while I believe he fully embraces all of his cultural and genetic make-up–as he should do–he would be naive and stupid if he believed that America sees him as a “Cablinisian” golfer. And I don’t think he’s naive or stupid. I think he has claimed, not explicitly but in action, a “black” political\* identity–just as his “part-Asian” father did before him. \*political meaning “Since this is how you’re going to treat me, this is how I’m going to represent myself”. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/132 "2007-05-20T18:57:12Z")
[QUOTE=monstro] He said “Cablinasian” was a term he came up with as a kid. He has said now he defines himself as “What you see is what you get”. [/QUOTE] He also defines himself now as Cablinasian. > [@](#): > > The Fuzzy Zoeller kind of comments he has received did not target his whiteness or Asianness, but his blackness. What Fuzzy said has nothing to do with how Tiger sees himself. > [@](#): > > So while I believe he fully embraces all of his cultural and genetic make-up–as he should do–he would be naive and stupid if he believed that America sees him as a “Cablinisian” golfer. And I don’t think he’s naive or stupid. Again, it is not about how he is seen, but what he is. > [@](#): > > I think he has claimed, not explicitly but in action, a “black” political\* identity–just as his “part-Asian” father did before him. I don’t think his father was part Asian. I could be wrong. My understanding is that Earl Woods claimed Black, White, and Cherokee heritage. As for claiming a black political identity, consider this excerpt from one of my cites, above. > [@](#): > > “Tiger is a role model throughout the world,” a union official told USA Today when professional golf’s biggest star refused to take part in a Nike commercial after the two unions went on strike Monday. > > NAACP officials might not agree. Two months ago, one of them wrote Woods asking him to “honor” the organization’s effort to force South Carolina to stop fling the Confederate flag over the state Capitol. > > “We hope that you will honor the sanctions by refusing to participate in the MCI Heritage Classic” - a PGA tournament held in South Carolina last month - the head of South Carolina’s conference of branches wrote Woods on March 24. Every act of “solidarity, relocation or cancellation brings us closer to our goal,” James Gallman wrote. > > The only response came by way of the media. > > Asked about the NAACP boycott in an April 3 article in Sports Illustrated, Woods said: “I’m a golfer. That’s their deal, not mine.” > > Then, when he announced at a press conference following the Masters, one of professional golf’s most prestigious events, that he would not play in the South Carolina tournament, Woods made it clear his reason had nothing to do with the flap over the Confederate flag. > > When a reporter asked if he was bypassing the MCI tournament to honor the NAACP boycott, Woods said no. He just was exhausted, “and now it’s time for me to take a little break.” ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/133 "2007-05-20T19:07:17Z")
I don’t want to hijack the thread too much, but this line from one of the linked articles bugs the hell out of me: > [@](#): > > Just because he has a black father doesn’t mean he has to kowtow to the organization’s anti-Confederate flag line. It’s understandable that Woods, who considers himself a Cablinasian - a word he created to describe the mixture of African Americans, Thais, Native Americans and whites in his family tree - might not feel a closeness to the civil rights organization. I’ve long ago made my peace with that bit of racial ducking and dodging. Tiger Woods wouldn’t be where he is without the NAACP and the other “black” civic groups who gave him and his father support through both of their careers. Earl Wood was a direct beneficiary of African-American scholarships and athletic clubs, and through him so was Tiger Woods. So while Woods doesn’t owe anyone, it would be dickish to disassociate himself with organizations that helped paved the way for his success. Not to mention, Tiger Woods received millions of dollars from Nike playing up his own history with racial discrimination: “There are still courses in the United States I am not allowed to play because of the color of my skin. I’ve heard I’m not ready for you. Are you ready for me?” He’s clearly not above getting involved with racial politics when they pump money into his pockets. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/134 "2007-05-20T19:18:14Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] He also defines himself now as Cablinasian. What Fuzzy said has nothing to do with how Tiger sees himself. Again, it is not about how he is seen, but what he is. I don’t think his father was part Asian. I could be wrong. My understanding is that Earl Woods claimed Black, White, and Cherokee heritage. As for claiming a black political identity, consider this excerpt from one of my cites, above. [/QUOTE] I disagree with that author’s remarks, as described above. And I mostly blame Tiger for this, because I think the guy in one breath tries to downplay the importance of his race and then in the next markets himself as a black athlete conquering the odds. He wants to play racial politics (I am a black man) when it is advantegous, but then pull himself back when it requires him to stick his neck out too much. So yeah, he might still think of himself as “Cablinasian”. But you don’t see him going around correcting people who call him African-American or black either. ---
**Author:** ![Khampelf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Khampelf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khampelf)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/135 "2007-05-20T21:10:03Z")
[QUOTE=monstro] He’s clearly not above getting involved with racial politics when they pump money into his pockets. [/QUOTE] So.. He clearly doesn’t deserve to have iced tea and lemonade named after him. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/136 "2007-05-20T22:31:42Z")
[QUOTE=monstro] So yeah, he might still think of himself as “Cablinasian”. But you don’t see him going around correcting people who call him African-American or black either. [/QUOTE] I don’t see faeries riding tiny bunnies and holding flashlights guiding my way home each night, either. Doesn’t mean they’re there. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/137 "2007-05-20T22:39:33Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] Well, I can’t answer for the previous decades and decades, but your location tag puts you in Seminole, FL. (Maybe your kids could put it on a card tied to your wrist the next time they visit?) 😃 [/QUOTE] It couldn’t hurt. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/138 "2007-05-20T22:46:42Z")
My Dad’s family used to refer to their outhouse as “the Roosevelt”. ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/139 "2007-05-21T01:33:02Z")
I think the cause of true ethnicisity demands that we gang up on this upstart, and force him to choose a race, and act like he is one! I mean, if you don’t draw the line somewhere, next thing you know, everyone will be claiming to be black! Tris ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707/140 "2007-05-21T03:09:48Z")
Reminds me of a funny story of when I was a waiter, in High School, that involved a less then succesful mix of cultures and terminology that involved a Swiss friend of mine and some of his customers. I won’t waste the bandwidth here. The ‘punch-line’ is “Omasoomflawhaaaaeye!”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-called-an-arnold-palmer-for-a-reason-douche/404707.md?page=8)