So you’re saying that there really AREN’T any “innocents”
Even Ethel?
Well let’s see if that was a fair comparison.
People who believe the Earth is 6000 years old quote the Bible.
Not actual physical evidence, but at least it is something.
People who believe that we didn’t go to the moon offer some theories as to why we didn’t.
Now for your thread.
You offer no facts, no physical evidence and no villain (who’s cursing the family).
Just to remind you, I already asked you:
What is your definition of a ‘family curse’?
Which members do you include?
(in-laws, third cousins - how far out?)
What do you define as the curse in action?
(premature deaths obviously - but a drug bust? Hardly.)
What do you think is the cause of the curse?
(I don’t believe in the Devil myself, but do let us know if you do.)
You’re right - you don’t belong with these conspiracy nutters…
BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE AT ALL!
I agree with GATOPESCADO but I just didn’t like the thought of a good someone in there being thrown in the fire along with the bad
glee-how much evidence do you need? Just look at the number of things that have happened to the number of people they’ve happened to! I don’t call every tragedy and thing going wrong a curse. But there are a lot of people who think that the universe (your “villain” you asked for or the Creator or someone is saying, “Fine. You want to act like this through the years and set these examples and give these messages? This is what you get.”
I do concede though that the very idea of somebody being able to do this purposefully to another person is repellant (and maybe why the tv series “Cursed” was a flop). But I believe that what goes around comes around…so maybe everybody who hasn’t done anything wrong has no more to fear than the normal crap life has to offer and those who have can only wait and fear, depending on the size of the wrong.
Any at all would be nice. :rolleyes:
I can’t. You haven’t posted any details. 
For the third time :smack: :
What do you call an example of a curse?
So the person or being who cursed this family is:
a) the Universe (ooh, it’s sentient :eek: )
b) God (“I’ll make myself known to the doubters by cursing the Kennedy family” 
)
c) someone else (well that really narrowed it down)
Where on earth do you get your ideas from?
Ah, TV programs.
Um, you do know that some programs are fiction, don’t you?
Cite?
I hesitate to use logic on you.
Still we are here to fight ignorance.
So a baby that dies prematurely has done something wrong?
dopetalker, I refer you up to Brian Ekers’ post, where he cites a website that specializes in this, and they found 15 incidents in 58 years, some of which are questionable indeed (mentally challenged child born, death in WWII, etc.). Using that as a reference, that’s hardly an abnormally large number of things going wrong considering the number of people that are being counted as being a “Kennedy” for the purposes of this supposed curse.
As many other posters in this thread have cited - they’re a large family (and very distant relatives are being counted when it serves the purpose of some eager reporter or curse believer), involved in dangerous lines of work and have a fair number of risk takers, plus they’re a very public family. Similar families that are nobodies as far as the American public is concerned do not get this kind of vulture-like attention over their every fault and misfortune.
If you’re going to be a sycophantic loser, dope, at least be a sycophantic loser who gets something for his trouble. Your teary-eyed Kenendy-worship is just plain sad. I’ll bet the Kennedys would find you to be as much of a idiot as we do.
Dogpiles are the most fun when the victim insists on wearing Milk-Bone underwear.
After admitting to believe in curses (just maybe of course) you are going to wave the “no judging” flag?! There’s nothing “creepy” about the Kennedys. This quote on the other hand…
Yikes!
Hahaha! It’s a consequence of the doctor dropping you on your head when you were born.
By the way nice flame Bryan. The entertainment value was excellent.
Fuck you fucking Kennedy haters! Fuck you! John Fucking Kennedy had the NICEST HAIR not only of ANY U.S. PRESIDENT, but of ANYBODY EVER ANYWHERE! His hair could fucking KICK RONALD REAGAN’S HAIR’S ASS with one hand tied behind its fucking back!
Is THAT what makes you fucking pissants so fucking jealous? Because you can’t have hair like his and abs like his tragically dead son? Fuck you!
And I didn’t say there was anything “creepy” about the Kennedy’s, did I? WHAT I SAID WAS: all of the shit they go through year after year seems to have a kind of a cadence to it. glee, look up curse in the dictionary and you’ll find the answer you’re looking for to the question you asked me above. As for where I get my ideas from, I certainly don’t get them from anybody like you, who apparently are just as guilty of rejecting turning purple at the sight of new ideas like Bryan in that idiotic flame of his. And did I say or imply that I didn’t know that tv program was fiction? No…you all must really be a bunch of shallow, scared people to look at an idea and react to it like this. When there’s any idea I don’t believe I either disagree and say, “I can’t accept that because…” or “that’s not true because.” Why all the ranting and raving? But for you to attribute somebody believing in what to them might be possible because of things that maybe they’ve seen or heard or experienced or because they have a different way of thinking about things really casts a dark shadow of doubt about the idea I had that in the US people accept each other and if they disagree then SO BE IT! They’ll agree to disagree! But this kind of attack is perilously close to the kind of stuff that communist governments use to quash any and all ideas that don’t fit their little agenda.
And I didn’t say there was anything “creepy” about the Kennedy’s, did I? WHAT I SAID WAS: all of the shit they go through year after year seems to have a kind of a cadence to it. glee, look up curse in the dictionary and you’ll find the answer you’re looking for to the question you asked me above. As for where I get my ideas from, I certainly don’t get them from anybody like you, who apparently are just as guilty of rejecting turning purple at the sight of new ideas like Bryan in that idiotic flame of his. And did I say or imply that I didn’t know that tv program was fiction? No…you all must really be a bunch of shallow, scared people to look at an idea and react to it like this. When there’s any idea I don’t believe I either disagree and say, “I can’t accept that because…” or “that’s not true because.” Why all the ranting and raving? But for you to attribute somebody believing in what to them might be possible because of things that maybe they’ve seen or heard or experienced or because they have a different way of thinking about things to some kind of sickness or “being dropped on the head” really casts a dark shadow of doubt about the idea I had that in the US people accept each other and if they disagree then SO BE IT! They’ll agree to disagree! But this kind of attack is perilously close to the kind of stuff that communist governments use to quash any and all ideas that don’t fit their little agenda.
dopetalker, might I direct your attention to the lovely “enter” key on your keyboard.
The purpose of said key is so that you can create something in your posts called “paragraphs.” Believe it or not, you’re allowed to respond to more than one person per post. You needn’t submit a new reply for each new thought that pops into your head.
Consolidation: it’s a good thing.
Or maybe you’re just trying to pad your post count nice and high in order to make yourself and your arguements seem more…“respectable?” To which I say: a turd might have two flys sitting on it, a turd might have 1,200 flies sitting on it. But regardless, it’s still shit, and those flies are now full of it.
I guess the real problem is I’m not sure what the hell you wanted to accomplish from this thread:
[ul]
[li]a factual answer regarding the actual placement of a curse on the Kennedys?[/li][li]a bunch of people saying ‘Yeah! These people are cursed’?[/li][li]a debate over the existence of curses?[/li][li]a request for prayers and good thoughts to be sent out to the Kennedy clan tonight?[/li][li]a list of all the “bad” things that have happened to the Kennedy family? (which I believe you got)[/li][li]or what?[/li][/ul]
Please tell me, I’d like to know.
On second thought, I think you’d be best off if you asked a mod to close this thread, then step away, and we shall never mention it again.
For your own sake, dopetalker.
Happy
No…but I was wondering if anyone felt the way I did about this, but HOLY SHIT! I found out that more people than I wanted to think possible unfortunately really feel that there’s a degree of self-appointed “groundedness of mind” and “self-security in ideas and ideology of the universe” which to them make it acceptable to absolutely belittle and personally insult a person who has any kind of thought that’s foreign or hasn’t been experienced by those people. That’s sad.
No…but I was wondering if anyone felt the way I did about this, but HOLY SHIT! I found out that more people than I wanted to think possible unfortunately really feel that there’s a degree of self-appointed “groundedness of mind” and “self-security in ideas and ideology of what’s real” which to them make it acceptable to absolutely belittle and personally insult a person who has any kind of thought that’s foreign or hasn’t been experienced by those people. That’s sad. So you know what? Just forget it. Just keep on believing whatever it is you do or don’t believe and act like Bryan. I guess that’s all we can hope for sometimes.
This is true, JFK did have nice hair.
Kick ass hair.
At least the Kennedy hair wasn’t cursed.
And have you seen Uncle Ted lately? Fab-u-lous!
So you’re right and wrong, Happy. Right in that maybe this thread should be closed but wrong in that it’s for “my sake.” It’s not for my sake but for the sake of all these attackers. If they’re this discombobulated by a question/idea from somebody then we really do need to keep from presenting anything to them that could make them overheat, like keeping noises, big ideas and solid food away from Alzheimers patients and the disturbed. If they have the trait of someone being able to trigger that horrifying phenomenon of a runaway “instant expert” mouth making sounds and diatribes and no kind of a brain or intelligence to guide it then they’re a danger to themselves and others. Moderator, please close.
Are you people on drugs? It was Bobby who had the kick assiest hair of all the Kennedys!
(Bob Scene, your post slayed me. Thanks for a truly beautiful post.)
dopetalker, because I am a kind person, let’s go through (what I think is) your point. Yes, I am willing to admit that at first blush, it seems that an awful lot of bad things happen to the Kennedys. But (and I might add, several people have already pointed this out), when you factor in:
A. The fact that the Kennedys and what happens to them are more likely to be on the national news than say, my neighbors, so that I know more things (good and bad) about the Kennedys distant cousins than I know about my neighbor’s distant cousins.
B1. There are oodles of Kennedys running around. Joe and Rose had 10 kids, and ah, they are Catholic, you know. Also, the number of Kennedys that are involved in such tallys of “bad things” include people who are actually more along the lines of “third cousins-in-law” and would probably not be counted as family members in an average person’s family.
C. Two of them (that would be JFK and RFK, for those of you keeping score at home) were engaged in very high profile public careers, the kind that attract loons with guns. Another Kennedy(Joe Jr.) died in WWII, which while sad, does not exactly stand out as a completely unexpected, shocking event.
Adding these things up, I find that upon further reflection, bad things do not happen to the Kennedys with any more frequency than bad things happen to any other group of people of similar number.
So no, I don’t agree with your belief that there is anything creepy about it. I hope I was able to express that without belittling you.
If you keep using these big words, how are us regular people gonna understand.