# It's evolution or it's Jesus, Janet. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2001, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225 "2001-02-28T16:31:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![fchick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/919ad9/32.png) [@fchick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fchick)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2001, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/241 "2001-04-03T07:26:44Z")
Fundies (of all religions) are just sad people who cannot accept that people have differences, and, more seriously :P, can’t argue! Aiiieeeeee! Chick has no grasp on reality whatsoever! A gay friend of mine (boy are we stuffed!) has an amusing MP3 about the evils of D&D (oh boy, we are REALLY stuffed!). I cannot believe that people believe that stuff - could it just be a worldwide conspiracy/practical joke?!?!? please?!?! Goddamn! (oops, hell again.) ---
**Author:** ![socialxray](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@socialxray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/socialxray)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2001, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/242 "2001-04-04T02:20:24Z")
**Gr8Kat said:** > [@](#): > > Geez Louise, God made the trees with extra rings to look old; it’s a trick, just like starlight that seems like it would take billions of years to get here, but was also created just 6,000 years ago. Heretic scum! Anyone else reminded of the Bill Hicks’ skit from _Arizona Bay_? Bill: “C’mon, man, dinosaur fossiles. What’s the deal?” Fundy: “God put those here to test our faith.” Bill: "I think God put you here to test my faith, dude…Does that bother anyone here? The idea that God might be fuckin’ with our heads?..God just running around burying fossils…_chuckles gleefully_ We’ll see who believes in me now! I’m a prankster god! I am killing me!..You die, you go to St. Peter…he says ‘Did you believe in dinosaurs?’ ‘Well, yeah there were fossils everywhere…’ _trapdoor to hell opens_ ‘Ahhhhh!’ ‘What are you, an idiot? God was fuckin’ with you! Giant flying lizards? Moron! That was one of God’s easiest jokes!’ ‘It seemed so plausable! Ahhhhh!’ " Phew. Classic. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2001, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/243 "2001-04-04T03:35:16Z")
Personally, if I were God, I wouldn’t flood the world to get rid of you monkeys. Too much like work. I’d just snap my fingers and completely un-create you semi-evolved simians and all of your works. Then I’d kick back and relax for a few trillion years, on a white sand beach somewheres. 🆒 Otherwise, what’s the point of calling yourself “ **G** od”? ---
**Author:** ![nemo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecae2f/32.png) [@nemo1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nemo1)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2001, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/244 "2001-04-04T03:42:32Z")
When you get right down to it, the guy is just a lousy writer, which is not unusual among those who go into writing for lousy reasons. His reasons seem to have less to do with “witnessing,” whatever that is, than with the power to make the story turn out the way he wants it to. In real life, this guy probably couldn’t sell a pair of shoes to Imelda Marcos, let alone convert an adult human being to his mindless cult. But in his tracts, all of the educated people who routinely attack the Christian faithful crumble and convert the instant they hear a couple of out-of-context biblical quotations. Then there’s the fact that these people are hearing all this stuff from the bible _for the first time_ as though they didn’t grow up in a predominantly puritanical culture. The world as this guy would have it is a place where just _hearing the word_ is always enough. Ever notice how none of the humanists in Chick tracts are people who are familiar with the bible and have decided it’s bullshit? Even when you think he might be headed that way, it turns out that the bad guy is – get this – a devil in disguise; it’s as though there were _no such thing_ as a person who could hear bible verses being quoted and then _not be converted_ to whatever it is Jack Chick means by “Christian.” I suspect that the entire Chick publishing enterprise is founded on impotent rage at the fact that the real world is nothing like that. I’ve seen maybe half a dozen of these things in their natural habitat. They don’t seem as funny to me as they used to, maybe because this Chick chap is such an easy target. But I have to admit, this thread has been an awful lot of fun. Peace, nemo ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Onimous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@Ann\_Onimous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Onimous)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2001, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/245 "2001-04-04T03:58:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by c\_goat \* > \*\*Now I’m confused… > > > [@](#): > > > > **2000 years ago God (the Son) left Heaven and came to this world. His name was Jesus Christ. It was He who created the Earth and brought the Flood.** > > Since when was God also also known as “the Son”? So Jesus Christ was actually God? God is his own son? That’s cooler than your brother being your dad if you ask me. > \*\* Okay, now I can’t get “I’m My Own Grandpa” out of my head. Thank you SO much. 😃 And don’t forget about the Holy Spirit being in there too. Three in one - the Trinity? God is actually the Holy Spirit, as is Jesus. They’re all each other. I need to go clear my head now. It hurts. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![night](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@night](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/night)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2001, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/246 "2001-04-04T04:40:00Z")
Oh I must thank you all for showing me those chick links. That is probably the hardest I have laughed in a while. Maybe if I repent now I’ll get to ride one of those dinosaurs in heaven? ---
**Author:** ![shougunwarrior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9e8a1a/32.png) [@shougunwarrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shougunwarrior)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2001, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/247 "2001-04-04T08:04:07Z")
Long time reader, first time poster. Growing up in Georgia in the 70s I and my fellow kids had Chick tracts shoved at us incessantly; given away at Halloween, handed out at shopping malls, found in libraries, you name it. While I disagree violently with Chick’s theology, as a cartoonist I have to admire the sheer reach one man’s vision has had in the thirty-odd years he’s been at the game. By the way, the ‘cartoonier’ of Chick’s tracts are drawn by Chick himself; the more realistic tracts (and The Crusaders) are drawn by Chick’s long-time associate Fred Carter. A fantastic source of information on Jack Chick is available in the second issue of Dan Raeburn’s magazine THE IMP. This issue-length exploration of Chick and his worldview should be required reading for, well, just about everybody. Word has it he and Fred are hard at work on a full-length animated film! ---
**Author:** ![monkykong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71c47a/32.png) [@monkykong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monkykong)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2001, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/248 "2001-04-08T22:37:54Z")
Anyone noticed the recurring ‘explanation’ of the letters IHS as ‘Isis, Horus, Seb’ as 3 [real] Egyptian gods , to support the notion of Catholicism being occult, and the eucharist being pagan. Shame it’s a contraction of the Greek for Jesus, Iesous. The I is the greek i, of course, and the H is eta. Still, at least they’re entertaining… ---
**Author:** ![nemo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecae2f/32.png) [@nemo1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nemo1)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2001, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/249 "2001-04-08T23:57:39Z")
I noticed it, but I always thought that IHS was “In Hoc Signo.” ---
**Author:** ![Palandine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/958977/32.png) [@Palandine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palandine)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2001, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/250 "2001-04-09T14:25:48Z")
I believe IHS stands for the Latin phrasing of “Jesus, the Savior of Mankind,” just as INRI stands for “Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews” ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2001, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/251 "2001-04-09T15:03:13Z")
" . . . INRI stands for ‘Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews’" . . . —Hmmm . . . My Catholic friend Michael told me INRI stood for “I’m Nailed Right In” . . . ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2001, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/252 "2001-04-09T16:44:13Z")
Just to be a pedant: in Latin, IHS stands for _Iesus, Humanitatis Salvor_–Jesus, savior of mankind, and INRI stands for _Iesus, Natus Rex Iudaeorum_–Jesus, born King of the Jews. Why is there an “I” in Jesus? Because there was no letter "J’ in Classical Latin. While I’m on the subject, the Fundies put the fish symbol on their cars because the ancient Christians used the word _icthus_, which means “fish” in Greek, as an acrostic for the Greek phrase, _Iesous Christos, THeou Uios, Soter_. In English, it means “Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior”. During the persecutions in the first and second centuries CE, Christians used the fish symbol as a code sign to recognize fellow believers. ---
**Author:** ![redtail23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3e96dc/32.png) [@redtail23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/redtail23)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2001, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/253 "2001-04-09T16:44:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eve \* > \*\*" . . . INRI stands for ‘Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews’" . . . > > —Hmmm . . . My Catholic friend Michael told me INRI stood for “I’m Nailed Right In” . . . \*\* That’s OK. All the Southern Baptists I know say that it means “Iron Nails Rusted In”. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Protesilaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Protesilaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Protesilaus)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2001, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/254 "2001-04-10T00:27:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by goboy \* > \*\*INRI stands for _Iesus, Natus Rex Iudaeorum_–Jesus, born King of the Jews. \*\* Cecil’s column [here](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_033.html) says that it stands for _Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum_ or Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Marvel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/779978/32.png) [@Marvel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvel)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2001, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/255 "2001-04-14T04:41:49Z")
You MUST read this! [http://www.minitru.org/llf/sf.html](http://www.minitru.org/llf/sf.html) I haven’t reread this thread in over a week, so forgive me if I’m posting something someone’s already mentioned. Its called “A Fishy Story” and it explains the real origin of the fish symbol in a Jack Chick-like format! Now I want a “Yoni” fish for the back of my car! Patty ---
**Author:** ![ThisYearsGirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@ThisYearsGirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisYearsGirl)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2001, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/256 "2001-04-14T19:04:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Marvel \* > [http://www.minitru.org/llf/sf.html](http://www.minitru.org/llf/sf.html) Dude! Is this true? ---
**Author:** ![ThisYearsGirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@ThisYearsGirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisYearsGirl)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2001, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/257 "2001-04-14T19:20:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Marvel \* > Its called “A Fishy Story” and it explains the **real origin** of the fish symbol in a Jack Chick-like format! I’m a moron. Yes, it is true. ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2001, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/258 "2001-04-14T20:14:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Marvel \* > \*\* > You MUST read this! > > [http://www.minitru.org/llf/sf.html\*\*](http://www.minitru.org/llf/sf.html**) From that tract: > [@](#): > > The fish goddess (vagina) would devour the father (penis) and resurrect the son (birth) in a cycle which found its way into religious systems of symbolism from the Bible’s tale of Jonah and the big fish to the classic “Boy on the dolphin.” I’ll never watch _Pinocchio_ the same way again! ---
**Author:** ![nemo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecae2f/32.png) [@nemo1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nemo1)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2001, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/259 "2001-04-16T02:06:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ThisYearsGirl \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Marvel \* > > [http://www.minitru.org/llf/sf.html](http://www.minitru.org/llf/sf.html) > > Dude! Is this true? \*\* Yes and no. Yes, there was fertility worship, and yes, some of the symbolism used was as described. But to claim a direct connection between that symbolism and the Christian fish symbol is as silly as the Jack Chick claim that the communion wafer is directly related to the Egyptian “god cookie,” or that IHS stands for “Isis, Horus, Seb.” Some substantive evidence might make a difference, but I certainly don’t buy it just because the Church of the SubGenius says it’s so. Pull the wool over your own eyes! You’ll pay to know what you really think! Praise Bob! Kill Bob! Etc.! It’s a pretty amusing series of “tracts,” though. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2001, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225/260 "2001-04-16T04:10:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by goboy \* > **Just to be a pedant: in Latin, IHS stands for _Iesus, Humanitatis Salvor_–Jesus, savior of mankind** Except IHS isn’t Latin, it’s Greek…it’s the Greek capitals Iota, Epsilon, Sigma. The confusion comes from the fact that a capital Epsilon looks like the Latin letter H, so everybody thinks it’s a Latin H. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-evolution-or-its-jesus-janet/56225.md?page=14)