# It's getting worse for Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 12, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653 "2015-08-12T13:51:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/1 "2015-08-12T13:51:57Z")
Bernie Sanders leads Hillary in New Hampshire > **[A new poll out of New Hampshire has Bernie Sanders ahead of Hillary Clinton](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/12/a-new-poll-out-of-new-hampshire-has-bernie-sanders-ahead-of-hillary-clinton/)** The handling of the e-mail debacle is backfiring on her campaign > **[This e-mail story just keeps getting worse for Hillary Clinton](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/12/this-e-mail-story-keeps-getting-worse-for-hillary-clinton/)** > > A bad day in Clintonworld. She’ll still probably be the nominee, but how will these perception issues impact moderate voters in the general election? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/2 "2015-08-12T14:03:17Z")
One outlier poll that includes non candidate Biden is hardly an indication of anything. I do want to read political wire today and see what the folks over here have to say about the poll’s methodology. It won’t stop the Bernie Bots from cluttering my Facebook feed today, however. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/3 "2015-08-12T14:13:22Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Bernie Sanders leads Hillary in New Hampshire > > [http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/12/a-new-poll-out-of-new-hampshire-has-bernie-sanders-ahead-of-hillary-clinton/](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/12/a-new-poll-out-of-new-hampshire-has-bernie-sanders-ahead-of-hillary-clinton/) From the article. > [@](#): > > The survey, taken Aug. 7-10, has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.7 percent, meaning Sanders’s lead is not considered statistically significant by pollsters. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/4 "2015-08-12T14:20:05Z")
In case anyone missed it there is a wave of anti-establishment sentiment in the electorate right now. Hillary and her desired opponent Jeb are in trouble for the nonce. I don’t think this will hold out when the actual primaries start, that’s when the party base comes out, but Trump and Sanders are tapping into a real sentiment. Hopefully this is a messy primary season leading to brokered candidates at the conventions, because it’s all more entertaining that way. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/5 "2015-08-12T14:57:30Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I don’t think this will hold out when the actual primaries start, that’s when the party base comes out, but Trump and Sanders are tapping into a real sentiment. Agree. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/6 "2015-08-17T19:22:52Z")
> **[State Department flags 305 more Clinton e-mails for review](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/17/state-department-flags-305-more-clinton-e-mails-for-review/)** > > Intelligence agencies will now determine whether the e-mails contain classified material that should not be released to the public. State dept. flags 305 more emails for review of classified information. This is the gift that keeps giving for her. I also think her attempts to label this as political punditry are false…last time I checked the State dept. is run by the white house. Attempts at humor like she tried in Iowa over the weekend (how she just got on snapchat because it deletes everything automatically) fall flat on people that think she doesn’t really get it. Her best way to make this go away, would be to own up and say she didn’t use the best judgment to have her own email server as the Secretary of State, and that she learned that the hard way. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/7 "2015-08-17T19:32:59Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > In case anyone missed it there is a wave of anti-establishment sentiment in the electorate right now. I’ve also heard that the voters in this election care about the economy. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/8 "2015-08-17T20:22:25Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > [http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/17/state-department-flags-305-more-clinton-e-mails-for-review/](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/17/state-department-flags-305-more-clinton-e-mails-for-review/) > > State dept. flags 305 more emails for review of classified information. > > This is the gift that keeps giving for her. > . Given the story references they need to be done with their review of what can released under FOIA **by Jan** this could really be the gift that keeps on giving. Those conducting that initial review will likely be extremely diligent and err on the side of caution. Nobody wants to be linked to accidentally releasing more classified information on such a high profile case. We’re probably looking at a rolling press release of “x emails tagged for further review.” In the meantime, every little bit of information will get spun by both sides. That potentially could be more damaging than any substantive findings at the end. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/9 "2015-08-17T20:37:25Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > I’ve also heard that the voters in this election care about the economy. You don’t think those things are related? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/10 "2015-08-17T20:49:47Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Her best way to make this go away, would be to own up and say she didn’t use the best judgment to have her own email server as the Secretary of State, and that she learned that the hard way. No no no! The best way to make this go away is for HER to go away. Drop out of the race, move to a small island in the Indian ocean and devote her life to searching for MH 370 debris. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/11 "2015-08-17T21:39:38Z")
Backing up a bit… given all the issues with Ken Starr and White House records during her husband’s Presidency, why didn’t Hillary anticipate any problems with using a private email server while Secretary of State? I haven’t seen, in any of the coverage of the controversy, who advised her to do it in the first place. Why did it seem like a good idea at the time? She had to have known that the press, her political foes, the State Dept., Natl. Archives etc. would want to see her official emails, and would be willing to sue/make hay over any refusal. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/12 "2015-08-17T21:51:00Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Backing up a bit… given all the issues with Ken Starr and White House records during her husband’s Presidency, why didn’t Hillary anticipate any problems with using a private email server while Secretary of State? I haven’t seen, in any of the coverage of the controversy, who advised her to do it in the first place. Why did it seem like a good idea at the time? She had to have known that the press, her political foes, the State Dept., Natl. Archives etc. would want to see her official emails, and would be willing to sue/make hay over any refusal. Just bad judgment all around. Apparently she had the server from her 2008 POTUS run, and she suggested that she just continue using it once she became SOS. Instead of telling her that it was a bad idea, her staff just made it happen. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/13 "2015-08-17T21:54:22Z")
Because she would be in control all the time ? Plus it would be no more vulnerable than State servers. However she didn’t seem able to manage autodelete. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/14 "2015-08-17T22:38:08Z")
I imagine because Hillary didn’t grow up using computers, her instincts and judgment regarding computers are quite a bit worse than her instincts and judgment regarding other aspects of politics and administration. So far, I haven’t seen anything to suggest any more likely explanation, and I haven’t seen any emails with information that would obviously (or even not-so-obviously) damaging to our security if released. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/15 "2015-08-17T22:40:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I imagine because Hillary didn’t grow up using computers, her instincts and judgment regarding computers are quite a bit worse than her instincts and judgment regarding other aspects of politics and administration. > > So far, I haven’t seen anything to suggest any more likely explanation, and I haven’t seen any emails with information that would obviously (or even not-so-obviously) damaging to our security if released. Apparently she also grew up not knowing how to choose a staff and/or listen to their advice. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/16 "2015-08-17T22:53:50Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Backing up a bit… given all the issues with Ken Starr and White House records during her husband’s Presidency,… She had to have known that the press, her political foes, the State Dept., Natl. Archives etc. would want to see her official emails, and would be willing to sue/make hay over any refusal. Or her experience with the Republicans (don’t hang it on Starr, he was just their agent) helps her understand that they’re going to blow up whatever they can into whatever pseudoscandal they can manufacture, and the more petty and ridiculous that appears the better it is for her. There is much less available for them to make of from lack of cooperation with this latest Benghazi fishing trip than their would be over the target-rich environment of years of sensitive records that need to be kept confidential in the national interest. That’s why. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/17 "2015-08-17T22:58:38Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Or her experience with the Republicans (don’t hang it on Starr, he was just their agent) helps her understand that they’re going to blow up whatever they can into whatever pseudoscandal they can manufacture, and the more petty and ridiculous that appears the better it is for her. Not really. It’s a “Have you stopped beating your wife?” situation. If she tries to laugh it off it will be called hand-waving and the demand for answers will grow. If she plays the victim card again she’ll be laughed off. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Krupe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Leo\_Krupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Krupe)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/18 "2015-08-17T22:58:47Z")
Unless someone can prove some sort of Gary Glitter type scandal on her, rather than shrieking as they have for the last 20+ years, then I don’t think any real damage will be done. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/19 "2015-08-17T23:00:12Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > If she tries to laugh it off it will be called hand-waving and the demand for answers will grow. Only from those who cannot be convinced. The target audience is the swing voters, who have been sick of this shit for years now. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/20 "2015-08-17T23:02:15Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Only from those who cannot be convinced. The target audience is the swing voters, who have been sick of this shit for years now. And that makes them sick of her. There’s no up side to this for her, the swing voters will see this continuing if she’s elected. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653.md?page=2)