# It's getting worse for Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 12, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653 "2015-08-12T13:51:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/21 "2015-08-17T23:04:05Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > And that makes them sick of her. That does not follow. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/22 "2015-08-17T23:06:57Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > That does not follow. Yes it does, she is associated with scandal that many voters are tired of. It doesn’t matter whether there’s a basis to the scandals. The subject turns people off, that’s no way to get votes. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/23 "2015-08-17T23:07:56Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > No no no! The best way to make this go away is for HER to go away. Drop out of the race, move to a small island in the Indian ocean and devote her life to searching for MH 370 debris. I suspect that the _real_ bombshell waiting to drop is the Clinton Foundation, which isn’t any more transparent than anything else associated with the Clintons, and on the surface at least looks like it was being used to buy influence at the State Department. If/when they seriously look at the charity’s finances, you’ll start to hear serious talk about prison time. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/24 "2015-08-17T23:48:09Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Yes it does, she is associated with scandal that many voters are tired of. It doesn’t matter whether there’s a basis to the scandals. The subject turns people off, that’s no way to get votes. The “scandals” so far have been laughably false and nakedly political. Independent voters aren’t going to care unless an actual crime has been committed. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/25 "2015-08-17T23:50:51Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > You don’t think those things are related? I was making a joke about evergreen political “observations.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/26 "2015-08-17T23:53:59Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Independent voters aren’t going to care unless an actual crime has been committed. A dead boy or a live girl? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/27 "2015-08-18T01:47:02Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > The “scandals” so far have been laughably false and nakedly political. Independent voters aren’t going to care unless an actual crime has been committed. I hope you are correct but I think there is reason to think otherwise. From what I can see, a large part of the popularity of Trump and Sanders is that they have both tapped into the seething anger many people feel toward establishment politicians. Whether on the right or left they are viewed as being more interested in slinging mud at one another and engaging in childish obstruction than dealing with the issues that matter to working class and middle class voters. People are sick of all the bullshit and are tired of being ignored. It doesn’t matter to these folks who is the accused or the accuser, they are sick of scandals and everyone associated with them. And electing a Clinton is just a guarantee of endless going on about this scandal or that one. Whether they are real scandals or not is beside the point. ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/28 "2015-08-18T02:07:46Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > One outlier poll that includes non candidate Biden is hardly an indication of anything. I do want to read political wire today and see what the folks over here have to say about the poll’s methodology. > > It won’t stop the Bernie Bots from cluttering my Facebook feed today, however. I expect that Hillary will eventually polish off Bernie and win the nomination. Most likely Bernie won’t win a single state, other than possibly his home state of Vermont. But that’s largely missing the point. Hillary’s campaign is based around inevitability. She doesn’t expect that anyone will think she’s a great candidate or will make a great president–plainly no one does. She expects to be seen as the front runner because she’s the front runner, a political version of “famous for being famous”. _I’ve been a national figure for 25 years, my husband was president, Wall Street billionaires are giving me money by the truckload, so how can I possibly not win? You might as well just vote for me and get it over with._ The fact that she’s running barely ahead of some freak with crazy hair who wasn’t even a Democrat for most of his career and doesn’t know that the 60’s are over kind of punctures that aura of inevitability. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/29 "2015-08-18T02:13:15Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > The “scandals” so far have been laughably false and nakedly political. Independent voters aren’t going to care unless an actual crime has been committed. Indeed, “47%” only mattered to the extent a crime was committed. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/30 "2015-08-18T02:21:39Z")
“47%” wasn’t a scandal; it was just a really stupid thing for a politician to say. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/31 "2015-08-18T03:17:19Z")
Hillary Clinton has given no one an affirmative reason to vote for her. It’s hardly surprising people are seeking alternatives, however unlikely they themselves might be. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/32 "2015-08-18T03:37:08Z")
> [@ITR\_champion](#): > > I expect that Hillary will eventually polish off Bernie and win the nomination. Most likely Bernie won’t win a single state, other than possibly his home state of Vermont. But that’s largely missing the point. > > Hillary’s campaign is based around inevitability. She doesn’t expect that anyone will think she’s a great candidate or will make a great president–plainly no one does. She expects to be seen as the front runner because she’s the front runner, a political version of “famous for being famous”. _I’ve been a national figure for 25 years, my husband was president, Wall Street billionaires are giving me money by the truckload, so how can I possibly not win? You might as well just vote for me and get it over with._ > > The fact that she’s running barely ahead of some freak with crazy hair who wasn’t even a Democrat for most of his career and doesn’t know that the 60’s are over kind of punctures that aura of inevitability. Flashbacks to 2007 when Hillary was “inevitable.” \ So let me ask you something. She couldn’t rustle up enough votes to win the nomination last time she ran. Which constituency among the Democratic voters do you think she’s going to pick up this time to make up the difference from last time? Because I haven’t read a single person anywhere I follow politics who has said they didn’t vote for her last time but will this time. On the other hand, I’ve heard from a lot of people who did support her last time, who aren’t going to support her this time. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/33 "2015-08-18T03:45:40Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Hillary Clinton has given no one an affirmative reason to vote for her. It’s hardly surprising people are seeking alternatives, however unlikely they themselves might be. If you say so. She isn’t stealing headlines because she’s not Trump crazy. This thing is a marathon and these runners sneakers don’t even have sweat in them. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/34 "2015-08-18T03:52:29Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > If you say so. She isn’t stealing headlines because she’s not Trump crazy. This thing is a marathon and these runners sneakers don’t even have sweat in them. Ah, but they do. See, she forgot she is supposed to wait 'til the end of the race to do her sprinting and blew it out at the beginning of the race. Now [all she’s doing is losing steam](http://www.massandreason.com/2015/08/14/bernie-sanders-is-a-digital-marketing-powerhouse/). Check it out; the charts are pretty cool. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/35 "2015-08-18T04:00:05Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Ah, but they do. See, she forgot she is supposed to wait 'til the end of the race to do her sprinting and blew it out at the beginning of the race. Now [all she’s doing is losing steam](http://www.massandreason.com/2015/08/14/bernie-sanders-is-a-digital-marketing-powerhouse/). Check it out; the charts are pretty cool. Perhaps it’s a bit early to call someone a Digital marketing Powerhouse. More people are looking him up because most Americans didn’t know who he even fucking was a month ago. Yes, college students are all up in arms. It’s exciting, a new trend. My stoner Facebook friends are continually posting Sanders quotes. It’s all sunshine and lollipops. He isn’t going to win the nomination. Quote me. Accept it. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/36 "2015-08-18T04:05:10Z")
Hillary isn’t exactly inevitable, it’s just that if her only opponent is Bernie Sanders, how can he beat her? It doesn’t seem very likely. And the notion that, just you wait, it’s coming, wait for it, mark my words, there’s going to be a Clinton Scandal that will blow the election wide open is just just, well, the Republicans have been telling themselves that for 20 years, and they’ve been wrong every time. Even the blue dress wasn’t enough to sink the Clintons. THERE IS NO SCANDAL THAT CAN SINK HILLARY. It is a mirage. A chimera. A fantasy. It will not happen. I realize that waiting for the scandal that will sink Hillary isn’t a left-wing thing. They’re all about how Hillary is a corporate elitist retread who nobody cares about, which is all true, but irrelevant, because to beat Hillary you have to run someone who can beat Hillary. Bernie Sanders ain’t it. (Neither is Joe Biden, he’s not running). And it’s getting a bit late in the game for some white knight to jump into the race and save us from Hillary, and the awful spectre of Bush vs Clinton in 2016. I’m practicing my dry heaves already. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/37 "2015-08-18T04:18:35Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > I was making a joke about evergreen political “observations.” Ok, and I kind of realized that after posting. What’s an ‘evergreen’ political “observation”? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/38 "2015-08-18T04:24:18Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Perhaps it’s a bit early to call someone a Digital marketing Powerhouse. More people are looking him up because most Americans didn’t know who he even fucking was a month ago. > > Yes, college students are all up in arms. It’s exciting, a new trend. My stoner Facebook friends are continually posting Sanders quotes. It’s all sunshine and lollipops. > > He isn’t going to win the nomination. Quote me. Accept it. I didn’t write the headline, a digital marketing expert did. He _is_ going to win the nomination. Quote me. Accept it. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/39 "2015-08-18T04:25:53Z")
Nobody would ever vote for that commie McGovern in the primaries. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/40 "2015-08-18T04:32:16Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > I didn’t write the headline, a digital marketing expert did. > > He _is_ going to win the nomination. Quote me. Accept it. Don’t worry, I will. And I won’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653.md?page=3)