# It's getting worse for Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 12, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653 "2015-08-12T13:51:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/101 "2015-08-19T17:08:20Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > She blew her own health care initiative in the 90s and then disappeared. Who killed it, and what should she have done about it? > [@](#): > > Voted for the war in Iraq then never justified it. Nothing has been more thoroughly explained. > [@](#): > > The GOP plays Bengazi Bingo and she hides. What has she not said? > [@](#): > > Stupid pointless email scandal occurs and now she won’t answer questions. What questions? > [@](#): > > No answers about sweet heart deals in Arkansas Seven years of Starr’s investigations. > [@](#): > > no answers about missing documents in the White House, Then you haven’t been paying attention. > [@](#): > > her MO is to just be unavailable instead of answering the tough questions. Even though there’s nothing to these scandals she acts as if there is. IOW, hate mode again. > [@](#): > > Now you don’t hide your adoration for her, want to tell us why other than waving away everyone’s concerns? Why? A respect for reality. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/102 "2015-08-19T17:09:55Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Approval =/= support-most Democrats probably like most of the Democratic candidates but they still each only have one vote. And the polls I was referring to indicated actual support among minorities, not approval. > > Or maybe a lot of voters just like Hillary and see her as an experienced politician. Shocking I know. > > [Blah blah blah] Yes, I know, there are a lot of foolish people out there. Still not enough to get her to victory any more than last time. But hey, if you don’t mind a traitor to what are supposed to be our core principles, that’s on you. But you can save your Hillary-approved talking points, because I ain’t buying them; they’re as manufactured as everything else about her. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/103 "2015-08-19T17:12:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > We don’t know yet. And IF she did, what are your thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/104 "2015-08-19T17:13:29Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > I’d trust Hillary with my tax dollars before I’d trust the socialist. +1 ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/105 "2015-08-19T17:18:02Z")
A year from now, all this talk will be distant memory. Hillary may be leading the Republican candidate by 5-10% by then. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/106 "2015-08-19T17:25:24Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Muh anecdotal evidence. You do realize the black vote, which overwhelmingly supported Obama in 2008, currently supports Hillary by similar margins even as she retains her leads the last time amongst Hispanics, working-class whites, and women? She’s not retaining her lead; she continues to lose ground daily. > [@TriPolar](#): > > Voted for the war in Iraq then never justified it. You won’t hear me say this often, but ElvisL1ves is right. She has justified it. She said she wanted to preserve the same privileges for future presidents. And we all know exactly who she had in mind. Her vote was not a principled vote on whether war was the right thing to do, it was a very calculated move by the Queen of Political Career Chess. No way in hell was she going to deny a president a right she wanted to be able to preserve for herself should she need it, the consequences to people and their loved ones be damned. And people wonder why I hate her guts. > [@adaher](#): > > I simply said that Republicans and Clinton made balanced budget agreements. The 1993 budget bill did not balance the budget by itself. It was actually the 2nd such bill on that path, the first being the agreement between Bush 41 and Congress. You do know Bill isn’t running for president, right? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/107 "2015-08-19T17:26:29Z")
**Velocity** : That sounds about right, no matter whether the Republican is Rubio or W2! or Walker. If it’s somehow Trump, maybe more than 10%. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/108 "2015-08-19T17:37:08Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Yup, like yesterday when she was asked a semi-softball question, she blew it and then stomped out of the press conference in a huff. [(“She ended her press conference abruptly…”)](http://nypost.com/2015/08/19/hillary-loses-her-cool-when-hounded-about-email-servers/) The NY Post reporting on her getting badgered by Fox News trolling for a sound bite. Wow. Now _that’s_ convincing. Just not convincing of what you think it is. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/109 "2015-08-19T17:37:29Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > You won’t hear me say this often, but ElvisL1ves is right. She has justified it. She said she wanted to preserve the same privileges for future presidents. And we all know exactly who she had in mind. Her vote was not a principled vote on whether war was the right thing to do, it was a very calculated move by the Queen of Political Career Chess. No way in hell was she going to deny a president a right she wanted to be able to preserve for herself should she need it, the consequences to people and their loved ones be damned. [She says it starting at the 7:18 mark](https://youtu.be/2ySJLIc5BJM). You can always find someone’s real motivation if you listen carefully enough. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/110 "2015-08-19T17:43:16Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The NY Post reporting on her getting badgered by Fox News trolling for a sound bite. Wow. > > Now _that’s_ convincing. Just not convincing of what you think it is. Would you prefer the Washington Post? _In a **testy** exchange with reporters following a town hall meeting in North Las Vegas, Clinton responded, “What, like with a cloth or something?” when asked if the server had been wiped.“I don’t know how it works at all,” she added._ [http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/18/hillary-clinton-wont-say-if-her-server-was-wiped/](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/18/hillary-clinton-wont-say-if-her-server-was-wiped/) Yeah, that’s the temperament I want as the leader of the free world. Except not. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/111 "2015-08-19T17:48:16Z")
Not familiar with Chris Cilizza’s work, are you? If you were quoting Charles Krauthammer, would you claim it was “The Washington Post”? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/112 "2015-08-19T17:51:52Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > You won’t hear me say this often, but ElvisL1ves is right. She has justified it. She said she wanted to preserve the same privileges for future presidents. And we all know exactly who she had in mind. Her vote was not a principled vote on whether war was the right thing to do, it was a very calculated move by the Queen of Political Career Chess. No way in hell was she going to deny a president a right she wanted to be able to preserve for herself should she need it, the consequences to people and their loved ones be damned. > > And people wonder why I hate her guts. Sorry, you’re right. She answered honestly then. And that’s reason enough never to support her. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/113 "2015-08-19T19:00:54Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Yes, I know, there are a lot of foolish people out there. Still not enough to get her to victory any more than last time. But hey, if you don’t mind a traitor to what are supposed to be our core principles, that’s on you. But you can save your Hillary-approved talking points, because I ain’t buying them; they’re as manufactured as everything else about her. Shayna, this is close to a warnable line, here. Placing ‘blah blah blah’ inside a quote can be interpreted as disparaging the poster quoted. I’d prefer not to see that happen in Elections. While I support your desire to disclose that you’ve removed something from the quotebox - which is within the rules - I’d prefer some other wording that might not give offense. No warning given. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/114 "2015-08-19T20:40:28Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > While I support your desire to disclose that you’ve removed something from the quotebox - which is within the rules - I’d prefer some other wording that might not give offense. > > No warning given. Will do. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/115 "2015-08-19T20:45:51Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And IF she did, what are your thoughts? If she did it would make me less likely to support her in the primary. It probably wouldn’t affect my general election vote, since all of the Republicans are so awful that even a loose lipped Hillary is way better (or far less bad) then they would be. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/116 "2015-08-20T01:47:45Z")
[Dems turn on Hillary. O’Malley, Eugene Robinson (leftie columnist for the Wash Post…and Pulizter winner) all saying she and the whole e-mail situation are shady.](http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/251420-clinton-comes-under-friendly-fire) My favorite though (same article, above) was > [@](#): > > Julie Roginsky, a former aide to the late Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) [said] that the criticism Clinton had received was “deserved and it is entirely self-inflicted by Hillary Clinton … When you do something you should not have done in the first place, which is put your public emails on a private server, you’ve got really nobody to blame but yourself when the firestorm erupts.”, The “Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy” against Hillary keeps growing, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/117 "2015-08-20T03:53:51Z")
She’s looking pretty toasty at this point, down to 47% in the national polls for the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/118 "2015-08-20T12:34:39Z")
[That right-wing, hate-radio station NPR reports that Obama’s reactionary rightist Justice Department and FBI are expanding their probe into Hillary’s shenanigans.](http://www.npr.org/2015/08/19/432908987/government-inquiry-into-clinton-emails-likely-to-widen) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/119 "2015-08-20T13:06:42Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > She’s looking pretty toasty at this point, down to 47% in the national polls for the nomination. You’re certainly among friends in this thread. 😉 When does it get re-titled “Two Minutes Hate”? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653/120 "2015-08-20T13:36:24Z")
Yup, because anyone–from President Obama’s Justice Department to ultra-right NPR is filled with “hate” when they question Saint Hillary’s Server Hijinks. I’m curious: Was Former CIA and NSA Director Michael Hayden (under Clinton, Bush _and_ Obama) talking “hate” when he was on MSNBC (another right-wing station, presumably) and said > [@](#): > > Hayden called Clinton’s handling of her emails was “stupid and dangerous” — not only to the U.S. and its national secrets, but dangerous to her as well. > > “I don’t even think it was legal,” he said. “That has to be against policy.” [Don’t worry about the site itself, the video feed is straight from Rush Limbaugh’s MSNBC and that’s the important part](http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/08/19/this-aspect-of-hillary-clinton-email-scandal-that-has-left-even-former-nsa-director-stunned-i-dont-even-think-it-was-legal/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Firewire%20-%20HORIZON%208-19-15%20FINAL&utm_term=Firewire) Or, is it just that you can’t cope with the fact that Hillary is dangerously stupid or wildly crooked that prompts you to label anyone who comments on her misbehavior a “hater”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-getting-worse-for-hillary/727653.md?page=7)