# It's Hall of Fame time again. Vote for your baseball favorites! **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 2, 2005, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788 "2005-12-02T19:27:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/101 "2005-12-08T19:27:20Z")
> [@RancidYakButterTeaParty](#): > > So saying he’s a lock relative to Trammell isn’t comparing them? Hmmm. I guess I need to study up on my definition of comparing. Ok, in the purest sense of the word, yes I was comparing them. However I was doing so to _differentiate_ between the two. ---
**Author:** ![Treviathan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/838e76/32.png) [@Treviathan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treviathan)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/102 "2005-12-11T21:53:02Z")
I’m a little late to this party, but I’d like to examine the case of Bert Blyleven vs. Jim Kaat and Tommy John, since they all seem to be often mentioned in the same breath. **ERA** Blyleven finished in the top ten in ERA ten times. Seven times, he was in the top five. Twice, he was second. Jim Kaat finished in the top ten in ERA three times. His best finish was sixth, which he accomplished twice. Tommy John finished finished in the top ten six times. His best finish was second. **Strikeouts** Blyleven finished in the top ten in strikeouts fifteen times. He lead the league in 1985, finished second three times, third twice, and fourth six times. Often he was second to Nolan Ryan. His 3,701 career strikeouts place him fifth all-time. Kaat finished in the top ten in strikeouts four times. His best finish was second in 1965. His 2,461 career strikeouts place him 31st all-time. John never finished in the top ten. His 2,245 career strikeouts place him 47th all-time. **Wins** Blyleven finished in the top ten in wins six times. He won twenty in 1973, good for seventh place. His 287 career wins place him 25th all-time. Kaat finished in the top ten in wins seven times. He won 25 in 1966, leading the league. He also won twenty in two other seasons. His 283 career wins place him 29th all time. John finished in the top ten six times. He finished second twice, with 21 and 22 win seasons in 1979 and 1980. He also finished third in 1977, with twenty wins. His 288 career wins place him 24th all-time. **Innings Pitched** Blyleven finished in the top ten in innings pitched eleven times, leading the league twice. His 4,970 career innings place him 13th all-time. Kaat finished in the top ten in innings pitched six times, leading the league once. His 4,530.1 career innings place him 25th all-time. John finished in the top ten four times. His best mark was a second-place finish in 1979. His 4,710.1 career innings place him 18th all-time. ---
**Author:** ![Treviathan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/838e76/32.png) [@Treviathan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treviathan)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/103 "2005-12-11T22:04:27Z")
**My analysis** If you go by the three most traditional measuring sticks for pitchers’ effectiveness (strikeouts, wins, and ERA) then I think, from those numbers, it’s hard not to conclude that Blyleven is better than John and Kaat. Blyleven dominates the other two in strikeouts, no question. And he was more constantly among the league leaders in ERA than the other two. I’ve also included innings pitched totals, which show that Blyleven was much more of a workhorse as well, tossing way more innings per season. So if you base your analysis on traditional statistics, then I think you’d have to place a significant amount of weight on the fact that Kaat and John each had more 20-win seasons than Blyleven. My caveat there would be that “20 wins” is a completely arbitrary number, and that Blyleven’s teams probably did not score as many runs as Kaat’s or John’s. Career numbers appear to be a wash between the three. With more advanced metrics, like ERA+ (which, to be fair, aren’t that difficult to understand at all) I think Blyleven blows the other two out of the water. But I wanted to lay out how, even with traditional statistics, Blyleven has a significant advantage over Kaat and John. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/104 "2005-12-11T22:06:56Z")
**Treviathan** You have proved Bert is probably the best of the 3. Of course none are HOFers and I still think non should be. I’ll give you this, you have successfully confirmed for me that TJ is not HOF quality. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Treviathan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/838e76/32.png) [@Treviathan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treviathan)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/105 "2005-12-11T22:14:56Z")
Thanks, **jrfranchi**. That may have been my first moment of successfully “fighting ignorance” (not to imply you’re ignorant, of course!) in 800 posts. I’m planning on doing up a similar study on Blyleven vs. Fergie Jenkins, Gaylord Perry, and Don Sutton. Probably for tomorrow. It’ll be interesting to see how similar (or dissimilar, though I’m not counting on it) Blyleven will be to those three HOF-ers. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/106 "2005-12-11T22:30:31Z")
> [@Treviathan](#): > > Thanks, **jrfranchi**. That may have been my first moment of successfully “fighting ignorance” (not to imply you’re ignorant, of course!) in 800 posts. > > I’m planning on doing up a similar study on Blyleven vs. Fergie Jenkins, Gaylord Perry, and Don Sutton. Probably for tomorrow. It’ll be interesting to see how similar (or dissimilar, though I’m not counting on it) Blyleven will be to those three HOF-ers. You are welcomed and I enjoy any baseball talks like this. So I look forward to your next comparison. Before you even start, keep in mind that many fans feel Sutton should not be in and was only a compiler and never great. Sutton and Kirby Pucket are two of my favorite examples of HOFer that shouldn’t be in. The now defunct old-timers committee put many in that are less than deserving also, but I dwell on the ones that the writers should have known better on. Jim ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/107 "2005-12-12T01:15:18Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > The now defunct old-timers committee put many in that are less than deserving also, but I dwell on the ones that the writers should have known better on. Let’s be honest, though; those are pretty different standards. You can question the qualifications of Sutton and Puckett, but the Veterans Committee put in guys who weren’t HALF the players Sutton and Puckett were. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/108 "2005-12-12T01:22:07Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Let’s be honest, though; those are pretty different standards. You can question the qualifications of Sutton and Puckett, but the Veterans Committee put in guys who weren’t HALF the players Sutton and Puckett were. No, I agree completely, but I don’t believe those mistakes will ever happen again. To me Blyleven has a chance and that would be wrong. I hate when people compare a weak candidate to a weak HOFer. No one I know would compare their choice with Bill Mazeroski. {as an example} Jim ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2006, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/109 "2006-01-09T21:35:17Z")
Tomorrow’s the big day, folks! 2PM Eastern the big winners are announced? Who’s it gonna be? [Here’s Jayson Stark’s vote column.](http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2282992) He says he finally voted for Blyleven. He’s hoping that’s a harbinger of good things. He voted for: Gossage Rice Dawson Murphy Morris Blyleven It’s a tough choice this time. Blyleven, as I’ve said before, should be in. But I can see arguments made for the others on both sides of the equation. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2006, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/110 "2006-01-09T22:30:38Z")
Shit, and I left my Dawson jersey at the cleaners! ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/111 "2006-01-10T19:03:00Z")
It’s [Sutter](http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/news/2006/060110.htm)! Good. I always thought he deserved it. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/112 "2006-01-10T19:13:09Z")
By the way, I want to know who the [one guy who voted for Walt Weiss](http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/news/2006/060110b.htm) was thinking! Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/113 "2006-01-10T19:18:32Z")
> [@zev\_steinhardt](#): > > By the way, I want to know who the [one guy who voted for Walt Weiss](http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/news/2006/060110b.htm) was thinking! It was probably the old announcer for the Rockies who used to go into a swoon whenever Weiss (hitting 8th) would get on. “He’s brought the pitcher up again! That means the pitcher won’t be leading off next inning! That’s so important!” That said, I’d have probably given him a vote. He was an important cog on some good teams, and though not a hall of famer, is worthy of being sent off into the sunset with a vote or two. I was surprised to see Rice so high. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/114 "2006-01-10T19:22:02Z")
Ridiculous. Sutter doesn’t deserve to be in it. I swear, unless there’s an obvious candidate, someone just need to take the ballots away from the baseball writers. Or at least get new blood in there. Some people with a clue, preferably. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/115 "2006-01-10T19:30:24Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > It was probably the old announcer for the Rockies who used to go into a swoon whenever Weiss (hitting 8th) would get on. “He’s brought the pitcher up again! That means the pitcher won’t be leading off next inning! That’s so important!” > > That said, I’d have probably given him a vote. He was an important cog on some good teams, and though not a hall of famer, is worthy of being sent off into the sunset with a vote or two. > > I was surprised to see Rice so high. So was Sutter really a better pitcher than Gossage, I just don’t see it. Someone convince me. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/116 "2006-01-10T19:36:28Z")
Sutter wasn’t a better pitcher than Gossage, Smith or Blyleven. Like I said, ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/117 "2006-01-10T20:14:07Z")
Yeah, dear God, if Sutter made it and no one else I want some of what they’re having. How does Blyleven end up 5th AGAIN? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/118 "2006-01-10T21:11:48Z")
Sutter Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA \*lgERA \*ERA + WHIP 1976 23 CHC NL 6 3 52 0 0 0 28 10 83.3 63 27 25 4 26 73 0 2 332 8 0 2.70 3.86 143 1.068 1977 24 CHC NL 7 3 62 0 0 0 48 31 107.3 69 21 16 5 23 129 1 7 411 7 0 1.34 4.38 327 0.857 1978 25 CHC NL 8 10 64 0 0 0 47 27 99 82 44 35 10 34 106 1 8 414 7 1 3.18 4.05 127 1.172 1979 26 CHC NL 6 6 62 0 0 0 56 37 101.3 67 29 25 3 32 110 0 9 403 5 0 2.22 4.11 185 0.977 1980 27 CHC NL 5 8 60 0 0 0 43 28 102.3 90 35 30 5 34 76 1 2 423 8 4 2.64 3.93 149 1.212 1981 28 STL NL 3 5 48 0 0 0 36 25 82.3 64 24 24 5 24 57 1 0 328 8 1 2.62 3.56 136 1.069 1982 29 STL NL 9 8 70 0 0 0 58 36 102.3 88 38 33 8 34 61 3 5 424 13 0 2.90 3.64 126 1.192 1983 30 STL NL 9 10 60 0 0 0 46 21 89.3 90 45 42 8 30 64 1 2 384 14 2 4.23 3.64 86 1.343 1984 31 STL NL 5 7 71 0 0 0 63 45 122.7 109 26 21 9 23 77 1 2 477 4 0 1.54 3.49 226 1.076 1985 32 ATL NL 7 7 58 0 0 0 50 23 88.3 91 46 44 13 29 52 3 0 382 4 0 4.48 3.85 86 1.358 1986 33 ATL NL 2 0 16 0 0 0 11 3 18.7 17 9 9 3 9 16 0 0 80 2 0 4.34 3.99 92 1.393 1988 35 ATL NL 1 4 38 0 0 0 26 14 45.3 49 26 24 4 11 40 1 0 193 3 0 4.76 3.70 78 1.324 12 Years WL%=.489 68 71 661 0 0 0 512 300 1042.1 879 370 328 77 309 861 13 37 4251 83 8 2.83 3.85 136 1.140 162 Game Avg 6 7 68 0 0 0 52 30 107 90 38 33 7 31 88 1 3 437 8 0 2.83 3.85 136 1.140 Career High 9 10 71 0 0 0 63 45 122.7 109 46 44 13 34 129 3 9 477 14 4 1.34 4.38 327 0.857 Sutter Postseason Pitching Year Round Tm Opp WLser G GS ERA W-L SV CG SHO IP H ER BB SO 1982 NLCS STL ATL W 2 0 0.00 1-0 1 0 0 4.3 0 0 0 1 WS STL MIL W 4 0 4.70 1-0 2 0 0 7.7 6 4 3 6 2 Postseason Ser 2-0 6 0 3.00 2-0 3 0 0 12 6 4 3 7 Gossage Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA \*lgERA \*ERA + WHIP 1972 20 CHW AL 7 1 36 1 0 0 7 2 80 72 44 38 2 44 57 4 7 352 3 0 4.28 3.13 73 1.450 1973 21 CHW AL 0 4 20 4 1 0 4 0 49.7 57 44 41 9 37 33 3 6 232 2 0 7.43 3.98 54 1.893 1974 22 CHW AL 4 6 39 3 0 0 19 1 89.3 92 45 41 4 47 64 2 2 397 7 1 4.13 3.73 90 1.556 1975 23 CHW AL 9 8 62 0 0 0 49 26 141.7 99 32 29 3 70 130 5 3 582 15 0 1.84 3.90 212 1.193 1976 24 CHW AL 9 17 31 29 15 0 1 1 224 214 104 98 16 90 135 9 6 956 3 0 3.94 3.56 90 1.357 1977 25 PIT NL 11 9 72 0 0 0 55 26 133 78 27 24 9 49 151 2 2 523 6 0 1.62 3.99 246 0.955 1978 26 NYY AL 10 11 63 0 0 0 55 27 134.3 87 41 30 9 59 122 2 5 543 8 0 2.01 3.63 180 1.087 1979 27 NYY AL 5 3 36 0 0 0 33 18 58.3 48 18 17 5 19 41 0 3 234 4 0 2.62 4.10 156 1.149 1980 28 NYY AL 6 2 64 0 0 0 58 33 99 74 29 25 5 37 103 1 4 401 3 0 2.27 3.92 173 1.121 1981 29 NYY AL 3 2 32 0 0 0 30 20 46.7 22 6 4 2 14 48 1 1 173 1 0 0.77 3.59 465 0.771 1982 30 NYY AL 4 5 56 0 0 0 43 30 93 63 23 23 5 28 102 0 1 356 5 0 2.23 4.00 180 0.978 1983 31 NYY AL 13 5 57 0 0 0 47 22 87.3 82 27 22 5 25 90 1 0 367 5 0 2.27 3.91 173 1.225 1984 32 SDP NL 10 6 62 0 0 0 51 25 102.3 75 34 33 6 36 84 1 2 412 4 2 2.90 3.56 123 1.085 1985 33 SDP NL 5 3 50 0 0 0 38 26 79 64 21 16 1 17 52 1 0 308 1 0 1.82 3.53 193 1.025 1986 34 SDP NL 5 7 45 0 0 0 38 21 64.7 69 36 32 8 20 63 2 4 281 0 0 4.45 3.65 82 1.376 1987 35 SDP NL 5 4 40 0 0 0 30 11 52 47 18 18 4 19 44 0 2 217 6 0 3.12 3.96 127 1.269 1988 36 CHC NL 4 4 46 0 0 0 33 13 43.7 50 23 21 3 15 30 3 3 194 5 2 4.33 3.63 84 1.489 1989 37 TOT 3 1 42 0 0 0 28 5 58 46 22 19 2 30 30 1 3 238 4 0 2.95 3.52 119 1.310 1991 39 TEX AL 4 2 44 0 0 0 16 1 40.3 33 16 16 4 16 28 3 3 167 1 0 3.57 4.02 113 1.215 1992 40 OAK AL 0 2 30 0 0 0 13 0 38 32 13 12 5 19 26 2 0 163 4 0 2.84 3.75 132 1.342 1993 41 OAK AL 4 5 39 0 0 0 12 1 47.7 49 24 24 6 26 40 1 4 213 2 0 4.53 4.16 92 1.573 1994 42 SEA AL 3 0 36 0 0 0 21 1 47.3 44 23 22 6 15 29 3 2 197 1 0 4.18 4.90 117 1.246 22 Years WL%= .537 124 107 1002 37 16 0 681 310 1809.3 1497 670 605 119 732 1502 47 63 7506 90 5 3.01 3.78 126 1.232 162 Game Avg 8 7 65 2 1 0 44 20 118.3 97 43 39 7 47 98 3 4 491 5 0 3.01 3.78 126 1.232 Career High 13 17 72 29 15 0 58 33 224 214 104 98 16 90 151 9 7 956 15 2 0.77 4.90 465 0.771 Note 1989 SFG NL 2 1 31 0 0 0 22 4 43.7 32 16 13 2 27 24 0 2 182 3 0 2.68 3.40 127 1.351 was split NYY AL 1 0 11 0 0 0 6 1 14.3 14 6 6 0 3 6 1 1 56 1 0 3.77 3.89 103 1.186 Gossage Postseason Pitching Year Rnd Tm Opp WLser G GS ERA W-L SV CG SHO IP H ER BB SO 1978 ALCS NYY KCR W 2 0 4.50 1-0 1 0 0 4 3 2 0 3 WS NYY LAD W 3 0 0.00 1-0 0 0 0 6 1 0 1 4 1980 ALCS NYY KCR L 1 0 54.00 0-1 0 0 0 0.3 3 2 0 0 1981 ALDS NYY MIL W 3 0 0.00 0-0 3 0 0 6.7 3 0 2 8 ALCS NYY OAK W 2 0 0.00 0-0 1 0 0 2.7 1 0 0 2 WS NYY LAD L 3 0 0.00 0-0 2 0 0 5 2 0 2 5 1984 NLCS SDP CHC W 3 0 4.50 0-0 1 0 0 4 5 2 1 5 WS SDP DET L 2 0 13.50 0-0 0 0 0 2.7 3 4 1 2 4 Lg Champ Series 3-1 8 0 4.91 1-1 3 0 0 11 12 6 1 10 3 World Series 1-2 8 0 2.63 1-0 2 0 0 13.7 6 4 4 11 8 Postseason Ser 5-3 19 0 2.87 1-2 8 0 0 31.3 21 10 7 29 I don’t know how the Code will look but these are charts compiled for sutton vs Gossage. I have to change my opinion, they are basically equal. Each had a great 9 year run as closers. The one thing I am sure of, is with Sutton in there should be no road blocks for Rivera now when he is eligible. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/119 "2006-01-10T21:20:19Z")
Man. 20 years ago, who would have thought Doc Gooden would fail to even make five percent and stay on the ballot in his first year of eligibility? ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788/120 "2006-01-10T21:21:28Z")
Sure, they’re equal. Except for the fact that Gossage a heck of a lot longer than Sutter and had just as high of a peak as he did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hall-of-fame-time-again-vote-for-your-baseball-favorites/333788.md?page=7)