# It's Hegseth we need to get. {As of Nov 9, 2026; Rep Thomas Massie (GOP) filed articles of impeachment for Hegseth.} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 30, 2025, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720 "2025-04-30T18:29:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2026, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/81 "2026-11-11T19:27:39Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > ELEVEN House Democrats missed the vote – which would have been more than enough to defeat the motion had they been present. Several cited “traffic” as the reason they couldn’t make it in time to the vote (why were they even away from the Capitol if they knew votes were imminent?). Nancy Pelosi wasn’t even in DC. So? The GOP has a majority in the House, and no way would it pass the Senate. It was a non starter when he proposed it. > [@JohnT](#): > > This dumb thing would not have gone anywhere. Massie knew it, the Dems know it, why are people pretending otherwise? Right. > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > So impeaching this year was dumb. > > I wonder if some Democrats, who let the procedural vote fail, know this but hesitate to say it. Probably. Same with next year unless we think we can get the vote sin the senate. But even if ni Impeachment/Removal, the Dems can still do an investigation. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2026, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/82 "2026-11-11T19:30:56Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > This dumb thing would not have gone anywhere. Massie knew it, the Dems know it, why are people pretending otherwise? It is obviously unlikely that Hegseth would have been removed by the Senate while Republicans still enjoy a 53-47 majority. But it’s absolutely embarrassing that Democrats couldn’t even get their members to the floor to prevent Republicans from shutting the impeachment down by shuttling it off to the Judiciary Committee. Apparently, several of the missing members were at a reception off campus and got caught in traffic on their way back to the Capitol. There’s no reason why they should have been anywhere but their offices when the House was in session and they knew Johnson could call up that motion at any time. It speaks particularly reflects poorly on Jeffries that his floor operation was caught flat footed, just as he’s making the case to some skeptical constituencies that he deserves the gavel. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2026, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/83 "2026-11-11T19:36:07Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > But it’s absolutely embarrassing that Democrats couldn’t even get their members to the floor to prevent Republicans from shutting the impeachment down by shuttling it off to the Judiciary Committee. What would be the point? Just wait until next year, quietly poll a dozen or so more moderate Republicans in the Senate, see if we have the votes to remove/Convict. If not, just launch an investigation instead. > [@flurb](#): > > . It speaks particularly reflects poorly on Jeffries that his floor operation was caught flat footed, just as he’s making the case to some skeptical constituencies that he deserves the gavel. Not at all, it was clever to let this one die, and make it obvious it was the GOP that did it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2026, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/84 "2026-11-11T19:42:01Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Not at all, it was clever to let this one die, and make it obvious it was the GOP that did it. We’ve had a decade and a half of this “cleverness”. Enough fucking “cleverness”, please. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2026, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/85 "2026-11-11T19:50:56Z")
I wouldn’t have taken that bet but that doesn’t mean it’s not foolish. You can probably clean house on polymarket with that level of confidence – it currently shows a 27% chance of removal by 31 March. That feels about right to me. The momentum is clearly shifting against MAGA within the party, and it’s not unreasonable to think that enough Republicans are tired of hitching their wagon to a losing train. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2026, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/86 "2026-11-11T20:08:28Z")
Hegseth and his entourage are “paying respects” at the tomb of the unknown soldier and someone in the group says something and they laugh, and then, well, the Marine honor guard has something to say. > **[Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com)](https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3n22qe27nnc22)** > > wow -- CNN broadcast footage of an Arlington guard yelling at a group with Pete Hegseth to "MAINTAIN SILENCE ... PAY RESPECT!" after someone in his entourage started laughing at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2026, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/87 "2026-11-11T20:15:04Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > But it’s absolutely embarrassing that Democrats couldn’t even get their members to the floor to prevent Republicans from shutting the impeachment down by shuttling it off to the Judiciary Committee. No, it is not. There’s no need for the Dems to save Massie, or give him support, or anything. He doesn’t have the time nor the interest nor the resources to do a full impeachment by the end of the current session, and wise heads understand this. This is a guy who voted for Trump 87% of the time in the current session. Just because he is doing ONE THING that the Dems are already going to do in January (when they actually will have a better shot of having the votes) doesn’t mean the Dems have to support him. Also, let’s not forget that, as is typical for a Republican government, the current budget expires on December 11th, so there is also going to be another idiotic government budget battle among that very own party. Do we really need the party in control of both houses of Congress to be divided in a fiercely internecine battle when they are also needed to pass a budget? With _Trump_ in charge, do you think he’ll sign a budget supported by people who just stabbed his SecDef in the back? No to both questions. This was a stupid, self-serving action by a person who is antithetical to Dem values, an action which was never going to pass and would have divided the party in power just when a budget vote is needed. All Massie did was punch the Republicans in the dick, but in this case, the maxim “when your opponent starts punching themselves in the dick, the best strategy is let them continue punching themselves in the dick” does not apply. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2026, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/88 "2026-11-11T20:19:12Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I wouldn’t have taken that bet but that doesn’t mean it’s not foolish. You can probably clean house on polymarket with that level of confidence – it currently shows a 27% chance of removal by 31 March. I’m not talking about March, I’m talking about having the House impeach by the end of December, 2026. That was never going to happen, and no Dem Congress is going to want to pass articles of impeachment with their opponent’s name headlining the bill, a guy who is no longer there. Might was well name it “The Thomas Massie Memorial Articles of Impeachment” or something. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2026, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/89 "2026-11-11T21:20:33Z")
Looks like a lot of Dems are blaming Mike Johnson for closing down the vote while several Democratic Reps who would have voted No were stuck in traffic, while also being annoyed at their colleagues for not managing to get there in a timely fashion. Not seeing any evidence that this was some galaxy brained strategic move on the part of the Dems; everyone who was denied the opportunity to vote in favor of impeachment seems pissed about it. [Story here.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/nov/11/democrats-hegseth-impeachment-vote) Nancy Pelosi appears to be the worst offender, having chosen to remain in San Francisco to receive some sort of award. Another guy was absent for medical reasons, and three Dems including the ever popular Hayley Stevens didn’t bother to respond to questions about where they were while Congress was voting. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2026, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/90 "2026-11-11T21:28:50Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Hegseth and his entourage are “paying respects” at the tomb of the unknown soldier and someone in the group says something and they laugh, and then, well, the Marine honor guard has something to say. The Tomb Guards are Army. Specifically the 3rd U.S. Infantry Regiment, more commonly known as “The Old Guard.”. [Society of the Honor Guard | Units](https://www.tombguard.org/guards/units) ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2026, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/91 "2026-11-11T21:29:20Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > There’s no double jeopardy with impeachment. Legally, no. And the kind of Democrats who wouldn’t ever miss an election would love for Hegseth to be tried over and over. But at least a couple hundred thousand swing voters would think being tried for the same thing twice is unfair. Also, if Trump’s approval numbers go down far enough, it is barely conceivable that the needed twelve or so GOP senators could be gotten so as to actually remove Hegseth. And that sort would be swayed by the double jeopardy fairness question. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2026, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/92 "2026-11-11T21:41:19Z")
Ignorance fought! ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2026, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/93 "2026-11-11T23:25:32Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Hegseth and his entourage are “paying respects” at the tomb of the unknown soldier Hegseth had to be reminded to not be a jackass while “paying respects”. Good lord. Even Fox News is reporting on this buffoon. > **[Army sentinel sharply reprimands Hegseth's group at Tomb of the Unknown...](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/army-sentinel-sharply-reprimands-hegseths-group-tomb-unknown-soldier-veterans-day)** > > Video captures the moment a Tomb of the Unknown Soldier sentinel called for silence and respect after laughter from Pete Hegseth's departing group. ---
**Author:** ![themapleleaf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/themapleleaf/32/14349_2.png) [@themapleleaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/themapleleaf)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2026, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/94 "2026-11-11T23:51:35Z")
@wguy123 Good for that sentinel. He issued the same standard warning to Hegseth and his entourage that he would to any citizen who was behaving inappropriately around the Tomb. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/95 "2026-11-12T00:04:14Z")
The trouble is, Hegseth is just the type of shallow asshole that would seek retribution. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/96 "2026-11-12T00:38:18Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > No, it is not. There’s no need for the Dems to save Massie, or give him support, or anything. He doesn’t have the time nor the interest nor the resources to do a full impeachment by the end of the current session, and wise heads understand this Right. This was pointless. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Nancy Pelosi appears to be the worst offender, having chosen to remain in San Francisco to receive some sort of award. Offender for what? Skipping a pointless vote on a pointless Bill? > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > But at least a couple hundred thousand swing voters would think being tried for the same thing twice is unfair. > > Also, if Trump’s approval numbers go down far enough, it is barely conceivable that the needed twelve or so GOP senators could be gotten so as to actually remove Hegseth. Right, and now the Senate is 55 Dems next year. Much easier. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/97 "2026-11-12T00:56:57Z")
And see, now this is better. We can do a better, maybe even possible job next year, and then say “Look, the MAGAs were so afraid, they killed it without a vote”. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/98 "2026-11-12T01:16:05Z")
> [@themapleleaf](#): > > Good for that sentinel. He issued the same standard warning to Hegseth and his entourage that he would to any citizen who was behaving inappropriately around the Tomb. I agree. I’ve been to the Tomb of the Unknowns in Washington (actually watched the Changing of the Guard there), and it is a very solemn place. Signs all around advise “Silence and Respect,” and as today’s guard proved, that rule will be enforced. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/99 "2026-11-12T01:34:51Z")
I agree that Hegseth and his group behaved boorishly and were rightly reprimanded. You go to any cemetery and you obey their rules. It’s that simple. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720/100 "2026-11-12T01:39:44Z")
The Sentinels don’t care who you are if you don’t know how to behave. This is on the Heg for not admonishing his guests on proper conduct. Og help him if he tries to retaliate in any way. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Another guy was absent for medical reasons, and three Dems including the ever popular Hayley Stevens didn’t bother to respond to questions about where they were while Congress was voting. Apparently a number of the missing were truly lame-duck members, on their way out of office and in DGAF mode. I can at least imagine Stevens so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-hegseth-we-need-to-get-as-of-nov-9-2026-rep-thomas-massie-gop-filed-articles-of-impeachment-for-hegseth/1017720.md?page=6)