# It's not even winter and I already hate you motherfuckers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 15, 2013, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354 "2013-12-15T04:08:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/141 "2013-12-23T18:14:17Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I’m genuinely curious. Why would anyone need the sidewalks so much if its got so much snow on it that you can’t walk? Why aren’t those people driving or staying inside? I hear people walking their dogs and such when there’s snow but wouldn’t that be like going for a walk during a hurricane? I walk pretty much every day; if I waited for the sidewalks to not have snow on them, I wouldn’t walk for six months of the year. I walk when it’s cold and when it’s snowing - I wear extra layers, and I’m not going to melt from getting some snow on me. [Here’s a video I took on a walk Dec. 2nd of this year](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlE368T5Saw) - that sound is the wind. 🙂 Other than people like me who walk for exercise and pleasure in winter, as **Motorgirl** says, you don’t live your whole life in your house or in your car, and there are plenty of people who don’t have cars. ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/142 "2013-12-23T20:18:17Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Honestly it doesn’t seem like a big deal to me. In central VA, shoveling a sidewalk isn’t any more ardous of a chore than, say, mowing one’s grass every two weeks. The sidewalk doesn’t belong to me, but I regularly weed-wack the cracks and keep the grass on the side trimmed like I’m supposed to. It’s not that burdensome. > > Here, the houses here are real close to together so there’s not a whole lot of sidewalk for anyone homeowner to clear. If your house does have a lot of sidewalk, you can likely can easily afford a snow blower or a couple of kids with shovels. > > It snows so sparcely that it seems like a giant waste for the city to invest in a crew and equipment to shovel all the sidewalks in the city, in addition to the other duties they need to do. If we got a lot more snow, I’d agree with you that the city should handle it. That makes sense. And yeah, I don’t think it would be all that horribly expensive to get a kid to shovel. It’s been ages, but IIRC back when I did have a place where I had to have the driveway done (at the time, I didn’t have a big 4by or SUV, but a low to the ground ancient Honda, and an even lower to the ground beat up caddy :D), it wasn’t all that expensive. Maybe 10 bucks? I guess it would be a way to help along the neighborhood kids huh? ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/143 "2013-12-23T20:22:14Z")
> [@Kimballkid](#): > > I hate to ruin your idyllic image and probably blow your mind in the process, but we have to make the repairs and maintain the sidewalk and even replace it if it gets too bad. We also have to take care of the trees in the boulevard (well, I don’t anymore since I had them all cut down). And mow and trim it too. Really? wow. Yes, you definitely blew my mind. I’m making a WAG that the city lists what items taxes go to pay for? In other words, that you have some sort of comfort knowing they’re not “double dipping”? ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/144 "2013-12-23T20:44:42Z")
To be fair, it’s a very small town and the property taxes are quite low. Things like I described are probably why they can be kept so low. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/145 "2013-12-23T21:10:10Z")
Wow I can’t believe people go out in that weather ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/146 "2013-12-23T22:09:02Z")
You mean like in **Cat Whisperer’s** video? Usually we don’t unless it’s absolutely necessary. But that’s a blizzard. On a normal snowy, cold day it’s no big deal. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/147 "2013-12-23T23:47:35Z")
If its slightly windy I don’t go outside… ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/148 "2013-12-24T00:23:22Z")
Really?! Seems odd. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/149 "2013-12-24T00:39:21Z")
I’m not what you would call an outdoors person ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/150 "2013-12-24T00:47:30Z")
> [@Kimballkid](#): > > You mean like in **Cat Whisperer’s** video? Usually we don’t unless it’s absolutely necessary. But that’s a blizzard. On a normal snowy, cold day it’s no big deal. Walking in a blizzard is actually easier than driving, but I understand that other people aren’t as keen on it as I am. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/151 "2013-12-24T01:57:22Z")
Oh, I’ve walked in blizzards before, it’s just not a ‘normal’ thing to do. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![James\_Toothpaste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@James\_Toothpaste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Toothpaste)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/152 "2013-12-24T15:36:54Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > Oh, I am SO borrowing this. Me too. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/153 "2013-12-24T15:55:06Z")
> [@Kenm](#): > > [**Outside my front door**](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10105188/Winter.jpg). > > It’s not snowing at the moment because it’s too cold; 22 below Fahrenheit, –30 Celsius. This is a joke? Cuz too cold to snow is silly on its face. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/154 "2013-12-24T16:00:37Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > This is a joke? Cuz too cold to snow is silly on its face. [No, not really.](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2051/does-it-ever-get-too-cold-to-snow) [QUOTE=bibliophage] So, to sum up, at temperatures near freezing, you can expect big honking snow flakes and lots of them. One those comparatively rare occasions when it snows near 0 F, you can expect individual snow crystals, but not very many of them because such cold air can’t “hold” as much water vapor. Below about -40°, you can expect only very small crystals to fall, and very few of them at that. So the next time somebody tries to tell you it’s too cold to snow, check the thermometer. If it’s warmer than forty below, send them up Fairbanks way, and they’ll never doubt you again. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/155 "2013-12-24T16:06:45Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > [No, not really.](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2051/does-it-ever-get-too-cold-to-snow) What you posted does not say it can get to cold too snow. It can even snow at -40-- expect less and littler, but it still snows. And -40 is not -20. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/156 "2013-12-24T16:32:09Z")
Technically yes, but in common parlance “too cold to snow” means temperatures at which it is much less likely to know. Growing up in western Washington we were always more worried about snow accumulation at 28 degrees than at 18. The weather patterns that brought really extreme (for the area) cold simply weren’t associated with precipitation. When we said “too cold to snow” we didn’t mean “it is physically impossible for it to snow at this temperature.” ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/157 "2013-12-24T17:06:19Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > [No, not really.](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2051/does-it-ever-get-too-cold-to-snow) From that link. > [@](#): > > The truth is that it can never be too cold for snow > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by bibliophageSo, to sum up, at temperatures near freezing, you can expect big honking snow flakes and lots of them. One those comparatively rare occasions when it snows near 0 F, you can expect individual snow crystals, but not very many of them because such cold air can’t “hold” as much water vapor. Below about -40°, you can expect only very small crystals to fall, and very few of them at that. There is a lot wrong with that. > [@](#): > > After all, it only snows when it’s cold, so the colder it is, the snowier it must be. Right? Wrong. Arctic climates often get surprisingly little snow. Barrow, Alaska, for example, gets less snow than Chicago in an average year, despite having winters that average 39°F (22°C) colder. Barrow gets a lot of snow until the Arctic ocean freezes up. The air temperature alone isn’t what causes snow, and the temperature at ground level sure isn’t the main factor. It’s almost as if the person who wrote that doesn’t understand meteorology at all. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/158 "2013-12-24T19:13:00Z")
The deciding factor on whether it will snow is how much moisture there is available once we get to freezing. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/159 "2013-12-24T23:16:40Z")
“Too cold to snow.” This may be a good time to ask this. I’ve read it snows only about 6" a year in Antarctica. But it never melts and so remains a winter wonderland. Blizzards come from winds blowing around the snow that’s already on the ground. Is this true, and if so, is it true it only snows half a foot a year down there? Could this be because it’s “too cold to snow,” or is it something else? ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354/160 "2013-12-24T23:40:14Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > This is a joke? Cuz too cold to snow is silly on its face. Oh yeah? Well, when was the last time it snowed on the moon? Huh? Huh? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-not-even-winter-and-i-already-hate-you-motherfuckers/676354.md?page=9)